Laptops versus desktops and roaming users
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@scottalanmiller said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@travisdh1 said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@scottalanmiller said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@jaredbusch said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
The question would be - why?
Because it is not more expensive unless you make it more expensive. It is typically cost neutral and adds flexibility. Pre-COVID I was already nearing 50% laptop vs desktop for new desks.
Post-COVID, I am close to 95% laptop for new desks.
These days we are getting great (and I really mean that) laptops under $700. Sometimes way under.
I'd like a source on those - Any laptop I've touched under $800 in the past 2 years have been A9 shit machines!
Where are you still even finding anything with an A9 CPU?
At least they're better than Intel's Atom J series, talk about useless silicon!
We found an A8 in use yesterday.
That wasn't real clear. That they are in use is not surprising, that they are still being sold is.
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@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@scottalanmiller said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@scottalanmiller said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@pete-s said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
For the same money you get more power in the desktop.
The enterprises I know have a mix of both. Those that may have a need for a laptop have one. The rest are predominantly desktop based. Especially if they are not office workers.
My bigger concerns are always durability and usability. My desktop setups tend to be faster, sure, but also they don't get dropped, banged around, broken hinges, dropped, filled, with coffee, etc.
I love laptops, I'm on one now, but generally I like to have desktops for the desk and laptops on the go rather than docking stations. More money, but I think in many cases, especially more "advanced" users, it's the better way when you need to provide mobility. The laptop gets used much less, giving it more lifespan (less chance to be dropped) while also giving users a backup device.
While I get it - damn, that's a lot of spend.
But we get great laptops typically for $650 and desktops for like $900. So $1550 not including monitors and accoutrements. Spendy, yes, outrageous, no.
What laptops are you getting for $650 that are worth using?
JB posted a pic of a Ryzen 5 for $900.
I picked up an HP home user unit from Costco in early 2020 for $600 and it was OK.
I'm also not putting Linux, so I have to pay the MS tax for Windows Pro.Define worth using. A quick search on Amazon showed 63 different models in the $500 to $600 range that have i3, i5, ryzen 3 or ryzen 5 CPUs, with 8G or more RAM and 128GB or larger SSD.
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@pete-s said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
Define worth using. A quick search on Amazon showed 63 different models in the $500 to $600 range that have i3, i5, ryzen 3 or ryzen 5 CPUs, with 8G or more RAM.
In @Dashrender's position as internal IT, I would consider suing gear like that.
In my position as external IT for various companies, I almost always stick to Dell/HP "business class" units with 3 years of support.
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@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@irj said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
In the enterprise space, the vast majority of users have laptops, docks, and a spare AC adapter (so they don't need to borrow it from dock).
Exeptions would probably be assembly line or something like a shared nurse's station
Desktops are the exceptions though and not the rule.In the enterprise space you rarely see large groups of people sharing the same computers - it's one device one user.
As for Laptops vs Desktop - I have no idea if the reality is desktop are the exception today...
The cost of a laptop plus docking station plus external keyboard plus external monitors plus secondary power supply significantly outweigh the cost of a standard desktop.
If the user needs that level of flexibility of mobility it might make sense, but most desk workers likely don't.
I've only seen laptops in enterprise. The exceptions were purpose-specific desktops, being very few. But again it depends on the environment and industry not all enterprises are the same. I've not worked in hospitals but can image them with different needs and device purposes.
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@obsolesce said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
I've not worked in hospitals but can image them with different needs and device purposes.
I worked for an 18k employee hospital system. All the support staff (IT, administration, etc) had laptops. The hospitals themselves used desktops as shared stations, but even administrators (or anyone with an office who didn't use shared computer) at hospital locations used laptops.
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@obsolesce said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@irj said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
In the enterprise space, the vast majority of users have laptops, docks, and a spare AC adapter (so they don't need to borrow it from dock).
Exeptions would probably be assembly line or something like a shared nurse's station
Desktops are the exceptions though and not the rule.In the enterprise space you rarely see large groups of people sharing the same computers - it's one device one user.
As for Laptops vs Desktop - I have no idea if the reality is desktop are the exception today...
The cost of a laptop plus docking station plus external keyboard plus external monitors plus secondary power supply significantly outweigh the cost of a standard desktop.
If the user needs that level of flexibility of mobility it might make sense, but most desk workers likely don't.
I've only seen laptops in enterprise. The exceptions were purpose-specific desktops, being very few. But again it depends on the environment and industry not all enterprises are the same. I've not worked in hospitals but can image them with different needs and device purposes.
Statistics I've seen show that sales is about 2:1 in favor of laptops versus desktops.
But yes, there are a lot of enterprises. Just 1000 employees and it's an enterprise.
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@pete-s said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@scottalanmiller said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@scottalanmiller said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@pete-s said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
For the same money you get more power in the desktop.
The enterprises I know have a mix of both. Those that may have a need for a laptop have one. The rest are predominantly desktop based. Especially if they are not office workers.
My bigger concerns are always durability and usability. My desktop setups tend to be faster, sure, but also they don't get dropped, banged around, broken hinges, dropped, filled, with coffee, etc.
I love laptops, I'm on one now, but generally I like to have desktops for the desk and laptops on the go rather than docking stations. More money, but I think in many cases, especially more "advanced" users, it's the better way when you need to provide mobility. The laptop gets used much less, giving it more lifespan (less chance to be dropped) while also giving users a backup device.
While I get it - damn, that's a lot of spend.
But we get great laptops typically for $650 and desktops for like $900. So $1550 not including monitors and accoutrements. Spendy, yes, outrageous, no.
What laptops are you getting for $650 that are worth using?
JB posted a pic of a Ryzen 5 for $900.
I picked up an HP home user unit from Costco in early 2020 for $600 and it was OK.
I'm also not putting Linux, so I have to pay the MS tax for Windows Pro.Define worth using. A quick search on Amazon showed 63 different models in the $500 to $600 range that have i3, i5, ryzen 3 or ryzen 5 CPUs, with 8G or more RAM and 128GB or larger SSD.
The i5 (8th or newer gen) or Ryzen 5 is likely good enough to use, the rest of that crap I wouldn't bother with...
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@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@pete-s said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@scottalanmiller said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@scottalanmiller said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@pete-s said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
For the same money you get more power in the desktop.
The enterprises I know have a mix of both. Those that may have a need for a laptop have one. The rest are predominantly desktop based. Especially if they are not office workers.
My bigger concerns are always durability and usability. My desktop setups tend to be faster, sure, but also they don't get dropped, banged around, broken hinges, dropped, filled, with coffee, etc.
I love laptops, I'm on one now, but generally I like to have desktops for the desk and laptops on the go rather than docking stations. More money, but I think in many cases, especially more "advanced" users, it's the better way when you need to provide mobility. The laptop gets used much less, giving it more lifespan (less chance to be dropped) while also giving users a backup device.
While I get it - damn, that's a lot of spend.
But we get great laptops typically for $650 and desktops for like $900. So $1550 not including monitors and accoutrements. Spendy, yes, outrageous, no.
What laptops are you getting for $650 that are worth using?
JB posted a pic of a Ryzen 5 for $900.
I picked up an HP home user unit from Costco in early 2020 for $600 and it was OK.
I'm also not putting Linux, so I have to pay the MS tax for Windows Pro.Define worth using. A quick search on Amazon showed 63 different models in the $500 to $600 range that have i3, i5, ryzen 3 or ryzen 5 CPUs, with 8G or more RAM and 128GB or larger SSD.
The i5 (8th or newer gen) or Ryzen 5 is likely good enough to use, the rest of that crap I wouldn't bother with...
The storage amount is basically whatever is cheapestOK, then I get 56 different models. Almost the same. Don't know how many are Home versus Pro though.
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@jaredbusch said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
I'd like a source on those
I agree with this. I don't see anything in that price point. Prove it or STFU.
that dock is retired
here is the new one
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@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
What laptops are you getting for $650 that are worth using?
Acer Aspire
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@pete-s said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@pete-s said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@scottalanmiller said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@scottalanmiller said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@pete-s said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
For the same money you get more power in the desktop.
The enterprises I know have a mix of both. Those that may have a need for a laptop have one. The rest are predominantly desktop based. Especially if they are not office workers.
My bigger concerns are always durability and usability. My desktop setups tend to be faster, sure, but also they don't get dropped, banged around, broken hinges, dropped, filled, with coffee, etc.
I love laptops, I'm on one now, but generally I like to have desktops for the desk and laptops on the go rather than docking stations. More money, but I think in many cases, especially more "advanced" users, it's the better way when you need to provide mobility. The laptop gets used much less, giving it more lifespan (less chance to be dropped) while also giving users a backup device.
While I get it - damn, that's a lot of spend.
But we get great laptops typically for $650 and desktops for like $900. So $1550 not including monitors and accoutrements. Spendy, yes, outrageous, no.
What laptops are you getting for $650 that are worth using?
JB posted a pic of a Ryzen 5 for $900.
I picked up an HP home user unit from Costco in early 2020 for $600 and it was OK.
I'm also not putting Linux, so I have to pay the MS tax for Windows Pro.Define worth using. A quick search on Amazon showed 63 different models in the $500 to $600 range that have i3, i5, ryzen 3 or ryzen 5 CPUs, with 8G or more RAM and 128GB or larger SSD.
The i5 (8th or newer gen) or Ryzen 5 is likely good enough to use, the rest of that crap I wouldn't bother with...
The storage amount is basically whatever is cheapestOK, then I get 56 different models. Almost the same. Don't know how many are Home versus Pro though.
We run Linux, so we only buy Home models.
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@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@pete-s said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@scottalanmiller said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@dashrender said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@scottalanmiller said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@pete-s said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
For the same money you get more power in the desktop.
The enterprises I know have a mix of both. Those that may have a need for a laptop have one. The rest are predominantly desktop based. Especially if they are not office workers.
My bigger concerns are always durability and usability. My desktop setups tend to be faster, sure, but also they don't get dropped, banged around, broken hinges, dropped, filled, with coffee, etc.
I love laptops, I'm on one now, but generally I like to have desktops for the desk and laptops on the go rather than docking stations. More money, but I think in many cases, especially more "advanced" users, it's the better way when you need to provide mobility. The laptop gets used much less, giving it more lifespan (less chance to be dropped) while also giving users a backup device.
While I get it - damn, that's a lot of spend.
But we get great laptops typically for $650 and desktops for like $900. So $1550 not including monitors and accoutrements. Spendy, yes, outrageous, no.
What laptops are you getting for $650 that are worth using?
JB posted a pic of a Ryzen 5 for $900.
I picked up an HP home user unit from Costco in early 2020 for $600 and it was OK.
I'm also not putting Linux, so I have to pay the MS tax for Windows Pro.Define worth using. A quick search on Amazon showed 63 different models in the $500 to $600 range that have i3, i5, ryzen 3 or ryzen 5 CPUs, with 8G or more RAM and 128GB or larger SSD.
The i5 (8th or newer gen) or Ryzen 5 is likely good enough to use, the rest of that crap I wouldn't bother with...
The storage amount is basically whatever is cheapestI use Ryzen 7, but Ryzen 3 matches with i5 and is plenty. Really, Core i3 is fine for 90% of users.
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@irj said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@obsolesce said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
I've not worked in hospitals but can image them with different needs and device purposes.
I worked for an 18k employee hospital system. All the support staff (IT, administration, etc) had laptops. The hospitals themselves used desktops as shared stations, but even administrators (or anyone with an office who didn't use shared computer) at hospital locations used laptops.
I work with doctors and we see desktops over laptops. Lots of laptops, to be sure. But desktops remain common that we see. Even in current green field deployments.
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We've seen a sharp rise since covid for new employees getting laptops, where normally they would of had a desktop.
Laptop wise we normally budget for £600 and normally get i5-11th or ryzen5
If we grab something on a deal even better
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@hobbit666 said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
We've seen a sharp rise since covid for new employees getting laptops, where normally they would of had a desktop.
Laptop wise we normally budget for £600 and normally get i5-11th or ryzen5
If we grab something on a deal even betterHad to get two laptops for staff this week. One is doing more heavy work (video editing, coding, rendering) and so got a Ryzen 5 5xxxx with discrete Nvidia GPU for $599. The other got a Ryzen 3 with built in Radeon for $480 because they mostly do IT work and generally remote.
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@scottalanmiller said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@irj said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
@obsolesce said in Laptops versus desktops and roaming users:
I've not worked in hospitals but can image them with different needs and device purposes.
I worked for an 18k employee hospital system. All the support staff (IT, administration, etc) had laptops. The hospitals themselves used desktops as shared stations, but even administrators (or anyone with an office who didn't use shared computer) at hospital locations used laptops.
I work with doctors and we see desktops over laptops. Lots of laptops, to be sure. But desktops remain common that we see. Even in current green field deployments.
Oh - for the doctors themselves - absolutely, in general it seems they don't want to carry anything around with them, so that leaves desktops as the primary interface for them.
In hospitals in-patient care I generally still desktops also generally with swipe care access, at least on in room computers.
