75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison
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@scottalanmiller said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
Macros....are a flag that MS Office is being used for inappropriate purposes.
Amen to that.
The job required a scalpel but all you had was a hammer so that is what you used. Excel is the hammer.
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@scottalanmiller said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
Teams is actively really inefficient
How so? We're using it more and more, including to collaborate with external people and everyone seems to like it now they've got the hang of it.
My kids also use it all the time at school.
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@Carnival-Boy said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
@scottalanmiller said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
Teams is actively really inefficient
How so? We're using it more and more, including to collaborate with external people and everyone seems to like it now they've got the hang of it.
My kids also use it all the time at school.
Very hard to see and follow alerts and conversations. A lot more clicking around and searching for messages than with other platforms. We find for people using it actively, that it causes a lot of missed communications and lost time as people spend their time looking for messages rather than reading and responding compared to Slack, Rocket, Mattermost, Cliq, etc.
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@Pete-S said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
@scottalanmiller said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
Macros....are a flag that MS Office is being used for inappropriate purposes.
Amen to that.
The job required a scalpel but all you had was a hammer so that is what you used. Excel is the hammer.
Exactly. Good to have a hammer, sometimes you need it. But when someone says "now, take your hammer and be very, very delicate" you might want to ask if maybe another tool would be better.
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@scottalanmiller said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
@Carnival-Boy said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
@scottalanmiller said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
Teams is actively really inefficient
How so? We're using it more and more, including to collaborate with external people and everyone seems to like it now they've got the hang of it.
My kids also use it all the time at school.
Very hard to see and follow alerts and conversations. A lot more clicking around and searching for messages than with other platforms. We find for people using it actively, that it causes a lot of missed communications and lost time as people spend their time looking for messages rather than reading and responding compared to Slack, Rocket, Mattermost, Cliq, etc.
When you start sharing files within Teams, efficiency evaporates. We have an OK handle on it as an IT department, but once this is unleashed to everyone else, it will be a . . . challenge.
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@EddieJennings Handle it now while you can. We did not and let's just say its the wild west trying to wrangle it all back in
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@scottalanmiller said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
Very hard to see and follow alerts and conversations. A lot more clicking around and searching for messages than with other platforms.
I agree, as a messaging app it seems very poor and MS definitely need to work on this.
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@jt1001001 said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
@EddieJennings Handle it now while you can. We did not and let's just say its the wild west trying to wrangle it all back in
Is that a weakness of Teams though, or a weakness in internal controls, training and workflow?
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@Carnival-Boy said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
@jt1001001 said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
@EddieJennings Handle it now while you can. We did not and let's just say its the wild west trying to wrangle it all back in
Is that a weakness of Teams though, or a weakness in internal controls, training and workflow?
All of thee above.
Of course it would be just fine with proper use and management.
My current and former positions both leverage teams as the main communication system. I've yet to figure out how to manage file shares in it properly. They all just get dumped into the same bucket and good luck finding what you need.
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@travisdh1 said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
I've yet to figure out how to manage file shares in it properly. They all just get dumped into the same bucket and good luck finding what you need.
It's essentially just a front-end for Sharepoint isn't it? With each Teams channel being a Sharepoint site.
I have to confess that I've never had success using metadata to organise Sharepoint files and still organise everything into folders and sub-folders. I then regularly use Windows Explorer to manage those files and folders, which I find much easier than Sharepoint (poor) or Teams (terrible). IIRC, @scottalanmiller has preached against using folders in Sharepoint, but it's the only solution that has consistently worked for me. Maybe I'm just too old to learn new tricks, but I think Windows Explorer is an awesome application and hasn't been bettered (on Windows), despite its age.
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One potential benefit to using Teams is that since it's included in the cost of the Microsoft Business Standard level is that it could maybe replace any other webmeeting/screen sharing software that is currently be used. I don't know that it's always that easy to get anonymous users in the Teams meeting however, so it may not fit the need for that. Our users have not had good experiences with Teams so far when they've had to interact with other organizations utilizing that.
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@Dragon3303 said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
One potential benefit to using Teams is that since it's included in the cost of the Microsoft Business Standard level is that it could maybe replace any other webmeeting/screen sharing software that is currently be used. I don't know that it's always that easy to get anonymous users in the Teams meeting however, so it may not fit the need for that. Our users have not had good experiences with Teams so far when they've had to interact with other organizations utilizing that.
We work with some companies that use teams, but they really only use it for the webconference stuff.
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@Dragon3303 said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
One potential benefit to using Teams is that since it's included in the cost of the Microsoft Business Standard level is that it could maybe replace any other webmeeting/screen sharing software that is currently be used. I don't know that it's always that easy to get anonymous users in the Teams meeting however, so it may not fit the need for that. Our users have not had good experiences with Teams so far when they've had to interact with other organizations utilizing that.
The integration piece is great, and that it is free (when you have O365) is great. But there are free options that we like better like Rocket and Mattermost. More effort, since you run your own server, but having used both I'd prefer the effort of MM or Rocket over the effort of Teams.
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@Pete-S said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
@Dragon3303 said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
One potential benefit to using Teams is that since it's included in the cost of the Microsoft Business Standard level is that it could maybe replace any other webmeeting/screen sharing software that is currently be used. I don't know that it's always that easy to get anonymous users in the Teams meeting however, so it may not fit the need for that. Our users have not had good experiences with Teams so far when they've had to interact with other organizations utilizing that.
We work with some companies that use teams, but they really only use it for the webconference stuff.
We've got a big one that went to it because they wanted to be "all in" Microsoft. A decision that has bitten them over and over again, Teams being a very minor component of it. It's not been a good experience.
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@Carnival-Boy said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
@travisdh1 said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
I've yet to figure out how to manage file shares in it properly. They all just get dumped into the same bucket and good luck finding what you need.
It's essentially just a front-end for Sharepoint isn't it? With each Teams channel being a Sharepoint site.
I have to confess that I've never had success using metadata to organise Sharepoint files and still organise everything into folders and sub-folders. I then regularly use Windows Explorer to manage those files and folders, which I find much easier than Sharepoint (poor) or Teams (terrible). IIRC, @scottalanmiller has preached against using folders in Sharepoint, but it's the only solution that has consistently worked for me. Maybe I'm just too old to learn new tricks, but I think Windows Explorer is an awesome application and hasn't been bettered (on Windows), despite its age.
Yup, that's me. Not that folders are broken or don't work, it's just that the power of Sharepoint gets exposed when you use metadata instead of folders. Sharepoint can be a pain to adjust to, but when you embrace it completely, it does offer a lot of power and flexibility. But it doesn't connect in that way with Explorer so you'd lose that power using that tool in that case.
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Plus, I'm not sure if Teams works with metadata. Which is the kind of thing that frustrates me a bit with Teams - its a front-end for SharePoint, but a hobbled front-end. Meaning you keep having to select "Open in SharePoint" to do anything complicated.
But generally I find the advantages of "going all in" with Microsoft outweigh the disadvantages.
I've also found Teams getting used more and more by companies compared with Zoom. At the start of the pandemic it was all Zoom.
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@Carnival-Boy said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
But generally I find the advantages of "going all in" with Microsoft outweigh the disadvantages.
It's definitely alluring.
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@Carnival-Boy said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
I've also found Teams getting used more and more by companies compared with Zoom. At the start of the pandemic it was all Zoom.
Zoom was very much the "I don't know what to do but people are talking about this Zoom thing" fallback.
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@scottalanmiller said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
@Carnival-Boy said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
I've also found Teams getting used more and more by companies compared with Zoom. At the start of the pandemic it was all Zoom.
Zoom was very much the "I don't know what to do but people are talking about this Zoom thing" fallback.
Zoom is flat out easier to get into them teams. That’s the biggest reason it was first. Now because people are going all in with Microsoft teams is becoming dominant.
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@jt1001001 said in 75 User Exchange On Prem vs. Office 365 Cost Comparison:
@EddieJennings Handle it now while you can. We did not and let's just say its the wild west trying to wrangle it all back in
Do you have examples of this?
