Daisy Chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
- What is the goal
An Access point for every cabin.
coverage for every cabin. The row of cabins Pine Maple Spruce are so close that doing every other one should work.
Defined Goal: WiFi coverage for every cabin.
Things to determine:
What are the Cabins constructed from. This will seriously affect signal strength. You think you can skip putting an AP in each cabin because some are close? Are you sure signal will actually penetrate and be usable srtength? Are you sure the camper's cell phones will be able to reply through walls with usable strength?Then what are the real distances? This is not something that should be calculated on "feels like" or "should work".
What kind of weather does the area get? Storms are a safe bet for most regions of the US. Putting that much copper in the ground is certainly a risk. A single lightning strike in the area can easily take out everything.
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@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Just looking up generic fiber optic, for 400' you're looking at around $70 per cable.
You could very likely just service loop the rest of the cable back at the main cabin.
Edit: non-terminated.
Monoprice has 50m pre-terminated cables, if ~160' is long enough for most runs.
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Now, the objection to the WISP model.
Why do you think you need an 80' tower?
This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.
But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.
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@travisdh1 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Just looking up generic fiber optic, for 400' you're looking at around $70 per cable.
You could very likely just service loop the rest of the cable back at the main cabin.
Edit: non-terminated.
Monoprice has 50m pre-terminated cables, if ~160' is long enough for most runs.
FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.
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@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@travisdh1 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Just looking up generic fiber optic, for 400' you're looking at around $70 per cable.
You could very likely just service loop the rest of the cable back at the main cabin.
Edit: non-terminated.
Monoprice has 50m pre-terminated cables, if ~160' is long enough for most runs.
FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.
Not to mention many local ISPs will actually do the terminations for you for a reasonable price.
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@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Now, the objection to the WISP model.
Why do you think you need an 80' tower?
This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.
But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.
Wasn't the objection to service the cabins, not the entire grounds?
Which I took as a means of forcing people to disconnect and enjoy their vacation.
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@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.
Do you mean you can't have couplers in the conduit? I would agree. On the other hand, as long as the fiber was outdoor rated, it seems like premade cables like that for the shorter runs makes sense.
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@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Now, the objection to the WISP model.
Why do you think you need an 80' tower?
This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.
But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.
The trees are about that tall. The cottages have metal roofs on them.
So you're thinking a NanoBeam 5AC-G2 on each cottage connected to a UAP AC lite/pro? What would be needed at the main house? Rocket AC and then (3) airMAX AC Sector Antennas? Does a single Rocket AC support 3 antennas?
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.
Do you mean you can't have couplers in the conduit? I would agree. On the other hand, as long as the fiber was outdoor rated, it seems like premade cables like that for the shorter runs makes sense.
How in the hell would you pull a terminated fiber through a pipe?
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@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Now, the objection to the WISP model.
Why do you think you need an 80' tower?
This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.
But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.
Wasn't the objection to service the cabins, not the entire grounds?
Which I took as a means of forcing people to disconnect and enjoy their vacation.
WTF? Just go away...
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Now, the objection to the WISP model.
Why do you think you need an 80' tower?
This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.
But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.
The trees are about that tall. The cottages have metal roofs on them.
So you're thinking a NanoBeam 5AC-G2 on each cottage connected to a UAP AC lite/pro? What would be needed at the main house? Rocket AC and then (3) airMAX AC Sector Antennas? Does a single Rocket AC support 3 antennas?
Something like this, yes. I wold have to look up exact model specs, etc.
I am most definitely not saying it is the answer. But it should be relatively low cost to test. You only need the antenna for the main office and a single one to roam around with to test by each cabin.
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@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Now, the objection to the WISP model.
Why do you think you need an 80' tower?
This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.
But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.
The trees are about that tall. The cottages have metal roofs on them.
So you're thinking a NanoBeam 5AC-G2 on each cottage connected to a UAP AC lite/pro? What would be needed at the main house? Rocket AC and then (3) airMAX AC Sector Antennas? Does a single Rocket AC support 3 antennas?
Something like this, yes. I wold have to look up exact model specs, etc.
I am most definitely not saying it is the answer. But it should be relatively low cost to test. You only need the antenna for the main office and a single one to roam around with to test by each cabin.
And testing should only be done in the summer when the trees are fully leafed up. Unless all the trees are pines, then - I guess it doesn't matter.
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@Dashrender said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Now, the objection to the WISP model.
Why do you think you need an 80' tower?
This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.
But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.
The trees are about that tall. The cottages have metal roofs on them.
So you're thinking a NanoBeam 5AC-G2 on each cottage connected to a UAP AC lite/pro? What would be needed at the main house? Rocket AC and then (3) airMAX AC Sector Antennas? Does a single Rocket AC support 3 antennas?
Something like this, yes. I wold have to look up exact model specs, etc.
I am most definitely not saying it is the answer. But it should be relatively low cost to test. You only need the antenna for the main office and a single one to roam around with to test by each cabin.
And testing should only be done in the summer when the trees are fully leafed up. Unless all the trees are pines, then - I guess it doesn't matter.
"Leafed up" should be a Vermont website.
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@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.
Do you mean you can't have couplers in the conduit? I would agree. On the other hand, as long as the fiber was outdoor rated, it seems like premade cables like that for the shorter runs makes sense.
How in the hell would you pull a terminated fiber through a pipe?
The last time I did this inside a building, I ordered the interduct with a pull string in it, and then ordered the fiber with a pull eye on it.
In this case here, I'd have to use my mouse (conduit piston) to pull a pull string through the conduit, and then pull the fiber in behind it. That's why it has to be 1". With LC connectors and a pull eye it will fit.
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.
Do you mean you can't have couplers in the conduit? I would agree. On the other hand, as long as the fiber was outdoor rated, it seems like premade cables like that for the shorter runs makes sense.
How in the hell would you pull a terminated fiber through a pipe?
The last time I did this inside a building, I ordered the interduct with a pull string in it, and then ordered the fiber with a pull eye on it.
In this case here, I'd have to use my mouse (conduit piston) to pull a pull string through the conduit, and then pull the fiber in behind it. That's why it has to be 1". With LC connectors and a pull eye it will fit.
But, assuming you go with wired to many units, you are not going to have only a single fiber in the pipe. You are going to have many.
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How in the hell would you pull a terminated fiber through a pipe?
The last time I did this inside a building, I ordered the interduct with a pull string in it, and then ordered the fiber with a pull eye on it.
In this case here, I'd have to use my mouse (conduit piston) to pull a pull string through the conduit, and then pull the fiber in behind it. That's why it has to be 1". With LC connectors and a pull eye it will fit.
But, assuming you go with wired to many units, you are not going to have only a single fiber in the pipe. You are going to have many.
Right. No big deal. If you are pulling 3, you just stager the eyes since they are fat, and the fiber itself is very narrow. If you're smart, you pull a pull string along with the fiber runs so you have it in the conduit in case you need it later.
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
How in the hell would you pull a terminated fiber through a pipe?
The last time I did this inside a building, I ordered the interduct with a pull string in it, and then ordered the fiber with a pull eye on it.
In this case here, I'd have to use my mouse (conduit piston) to pull a pull string through the conduit, and then pull the fiber in behind it. That's why it has to be 1". With LC connectors and a pull eye it will fit.
But, assuming you go with wired to many units, you are not going to have only a single fiber in the pipe. You are going to have many.
Right. No big deal. If you are pulling 3, you just stager the eyes since they are fat, and the fiber itself is very narrow. If you're smart, you pull a pull string along with the fiber runs so you have it in the conduit in case you need it later.
This is why you don't use pre-made cables.
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@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
This is why you don't use pre-made cables.
What does it cost to have fiber terminated? $150/hr? Since this is in the mountains, I'm guessing the nearest city is 1.5 hours away, so drive time on top of that. I'm just guessing at the labor since I haven't ever had it quoted.
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
This is why you don't use pre-made cables.
What does it cost to have fiber terminated? $150/hr? Since this is in the mountains, I'm guessing the nearest city is 1.5 hours away, so drive time on top of that. I'm just guessing at the labor since I haven't ever had it quoted.
Wouldn't that be better than hoping you don't break fiber in the conduit you just paid to have buried and cemented over?
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
This is why you don't use pre-made cables.
What does it cost to have fiber terminated? $150/hr? Since this is in the mountains, I'm guessing the nearest city is 1.5 hours away, so drive time on top of that. I'm just guessing at the labor since I haven't ever had it quoted.
Right, so if oyu are confident that premade will pull in quantiy, then by all means go with it.
The good thing about fiber, is that it doesn't matter if you coil up the left over.
