Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi



  • Okay so this is a bit of a weird issue, that I've never experienced before.

    VBRforESXi (free edition) is used to backup a specific set of VM's to my desktop (it's simple and I have a backup should anything go sideways).

    Anyways I had to move my desktop into a new office and then realized that at least 1 of my VM's wasn't operating properly that is backed up by VBR.

    I started investigating this and realized I was on a different vLAN, once I got my system back onto the original vLAN the VM worked just fine without any issues.

    I kept investigating and saw that VBR added an NFS share to my ESXi server, which makes me wonder if my system goes offline, does my VM stop working?

    Anyone have any experience with this or know where I might start investigating. I don't like the idea of my VM's having some dependency on my desktop. I'm not sure how to remove this dependency or why it exist in the first place.



  • The VM was created on the ESXi host, using local storage only. VBR was added after the VM was created so I had a modern solution to backing up the VM.

    There should be no dependency on my system for the VM to run, yet it appears there is.



  • I think I've figured it out, for whatever reason Veeam created a datastore for ESXi on my system (must've been when I initially tested the backup) and began running the VM from my system (storing the files locally).

    Why IDK.... but I'm performing a migration from Veeam into the correct datastore.

    (backup created of course).



  • Yeah I'm done with Veeam... horrible company.

    They make a Linux product, release it publically, and it doesn't work for current versions of Linux.

    Then you need to whisper special people on their forums for a work-a-round.

    When a newer version of Linux (kernel) arrives, the fix no longer works.

    I asked in their community forum which person I need to private message for a fix this time... and they point me to support to fix a product that's WAY behind.



  • I just wish there was a similar product for Linux backup. Most of them are only file based, while Veeam is bare-metal, and you can PXE boot to it.

    Looks like I'm stuck with a company I don't like, for a one-of-a-kind product.



  • @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I just wish there was a similar product for Linux backup. Most of them are only file based, while Veeam is bare-metal, and you can PXE boot to it.

    Looks like I'm stuck with a company I don't like, for a one-of-a-kind product.

    eh? no one has a bare metal restore option for Linux? I should try it for AppAssure - er.. I mean Rapid Recovery.



  • @dashrender said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I just wish there was a similar product for Linux backup. Most of them are only file based, while Veeam is bare-metal, and you can PXE boot to it.

    Looks like I'm stuck with a company I don't like, for a one-of-a-kind product.

    eh? no one has a bare metal restore option for Linux? I should try it for AppAssure - er.. I mean Rapid Recovery.

    I meant free / open source.



  • @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @dashrender said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I just wish there was a similar product for Linux backup. Most of them are only file based, while Veeam is bare-metal, and you can PXE boot to it.

    Looks like I'm stuck with a company I don't like, for a one-of-a-kind product.

    eh? no one has a bare metal restore option for Linux? I should try it for AppAssure - er.. I mean Rapid Recovery.

    I meant free / open source.

    Cry me a river. There are many ways you can manage your own backups for free.
    Just because no one is giving you a magic button backup, for free does not mean a product is bad.

    Veeam is designed for agentless backups from within the Hypervisor.

    They had a demand asking for agents so they made those within the last couple years. The Linux agent support almost current system, and they were probably current when it was released.
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    They offer a paid license for this product that has more features. Including support. Maybe if you did more than leech their free product you would get better support?



  • @jaredbusch said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @dashrender said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I just wish there was a similar product for Linux backup. Most of them are only file based, while Veeam is bare-metal, and you can PXE boot to it.

    Looks like I'm stuck with a company I don't like, for a one-of-a-kind product.

    eh? no one has a bare metal restore option for Linux? I should try it for AppAssure - er.. I mean Rapid Recovery.

    I meant free / open source.

    Cry me a river. There are many ways you can manage your own backups for free.
    Just because no one is giving you a magic button backup, for free does not mean a product is bad.

    Veeam is designed for agentless backups from within the Hypervisor.

    They had a demand asking for agents so they made those within the last couple years. The Linux agent support almost current system, and they were probably current when it was released.
    0_1509376194312_96867f77-9752-4be3-9d11-89937ec17da0-image.png

    They offer a paid license for this product that has more features. Including support. Maybe if you did more than leech their free product you would get better support?

    Did not mean to pop your Veeam fanboy bubble!

    If a company provides a free product, and someone uses it, nothing wrong with that! There's no way I'm paying money to back up free software on a desktop OS.

    I pay to backup company/enterprise servers and data for sure, which there are much better companies to use than Veeam with more effective and less expensive backup software. But I'm not giving Veeam a dime for a silly Desktop backup. Especially not a company like Veeam.

    Many softwares are free that work on CURRENT OSs, that do not automatically break every time there's a new kernel release. The fact that Veeam can't seem to keep up to standards doesn't make me think so great of them, especially with how they treat the whole issue on their forums.



  • @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @dashrender said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I just wish there was a similar product for Linux backup. Most of them are only file based, while Veeam is bare-metal, and you can PXE boot to it.

    Looks like I'm stuck with a company I don't like, for a one-of-a-kind product.

    eh? no one has a bare metal restore option for Linux? I should try it for AppAssure - er.. I mean Rapid Recovery.

    I meant free / open source.

    Relax and Recover.



  • @stacksofplates said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @dashrender said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I just wish there was a similar product for Linux backup. Most of them are only file based, while Veeam is bare-metal, and you can PXE boot to it.

    Looks like I'm stuck with a company I don't like, for a one-of-a-kind product.

    eh? no one has a bare metal restore option for Linux? I should try it for AppAssure - er.. I mean Rapid Recovery.

    I meant free / open source.

    Relax and Recover.

    REAR isn't really backup software. It's meant for disaster recovery, and lacks a ton of features, such as incrementals.

    But I don't want to cause anymore derailment, so going to end here!

    (thanks though!)



  • @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @stacksofplates said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @dashrender said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I just wish there was a similar product for Linux backup. Most of them are only file based, while Veeam is bare-metal, and you can PXE boot to it.

    Looks like I'm stuck with a company I don't like, for a one-of-a-kind product.

    eh? no one has a bare metal restore option for Linux? I should try it for AppAssure - er.. I mean Rapid Recovery.

    I meant free / open source.

    Relax and Recover.

    REAR isn't really backup software. It's meant for disaster recovery, and lacks a ton of features, such as incrementals.

    But I don't want to cause anymore derailment, so going to end here!

    (thanks though!)

    It does incrementals.....

    Literally in the config you put this:

    BACKUP_TYPE=incremental


  • BackupPC might do what you're wanting. I was posting only for discussion purposes, didn't mean to get a flame war going.



  • @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I pay to backup company/enterprise servers and data for sure, which there are much better companies to use than Veeam with more effective and less expensive backup software.

    Name some. We don't use Veeam here but I'm curious outside of Unitrends who you would consider better and more effective?



  • @stacksofplates said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @stacksofplates said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @dashrender said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I just wish there was a similar product for Linux backup. Most of them are only file based, while Veeam is bare-metal, and you can PXE boot to it.

    Looks like I'm stuck with a company I don't like, for a one-of-a-kind product.

    eh? no one has a bare metal restore option for Linux? I should try it for AppAssure - er.. I mean Rapid Recovery.

    I meant free / open source.

    Relax and Recover.

    REAR isn't really backup software. It's meant for disaster recovery, and lacks a ton of features, such as incrementals.

    But I don't want to cause anymore derailment, so going to end here!

    (thanks though!)

    It does incrementals.....

    Literally in the config you put this:

    BACKUP_TYPE=incremental
    

    How did I miss that?



  • I'll give REAR another go. Thanks for pointing that out!



  • I can't recall a time where I saw someone hate Veeam so much. Interesting. I have been using it for almost 5 years and have had very minor issues with it. Granted, it is at the hypervisor level, with the exception of one physical Windows server where I recently started using the newest version of the agent to back it up.



  • @wrx7m said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I can't recall a time where I saw someone hate Veeam so much. Interesting. I have been using it for almost 5 years and have had very minor issues with it. Granted, it is at the hypervisor level, with the exception of one physical Windows server where I recently started using the newest version of the agent to back it up.

    He is just whining because $favoriteOS is not a mainstream OS for the vendor.


  • Vendor

    @tim_g Welcome to Linux. All kinds of shit breaks on new kernels...

    If you want a *Nix based desktop that just "@#[email protected]% works" and has a bare metal backup may I suggest MacOS and Time Machine? You can from the BIOS re-install bare metal even from Apple's servers (PXE over WAN).

    What's bizarre to me is that you would waste time on forum support for something you complain enough to spend 30 minutes troubleshooting in forums or complaining here about. A license is $50-$30 per desktop per year. You apparently WANT a backup of the desktop and see value in it, but don't want to spend money....

    I want a functioning car. I don't want to pay for gas. Sadly this doesn't work.



  • @wrx7m said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I can't recall a time where I saw someone hate Veeam so much. Interesting. I have been using it for almost 5 years and have had very minor issues with it. Granted, it is at the hypervisor level, with the exception of one physical Windows server where I recently started using the newest version of the agent to back it up.

    I don't hate Veeam. I just hate how they support some of their products.

    I use some of their software in depth.


  • Vendor

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I don't hate Veeam. I just hate how they support some of their products.

    They will support it, you are just not willing to pay....



  • @storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I suggest MacOS and Time Machine

    Now, there's a vendor I do despise.



  • @storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    What's bizarre to me is that you would waste time on forum support for something you complain enough to spend 30 minutes troubleshooting in forums or complaining here about. A license is $50-$30 per desktop per year. You apparently WANT a backup of the desktop and see value in it, but don't want to spend money....

    What I do in my spare time is my own business. If I want to use free software on something and don't want to pay for support for free software, I wont.


  • Vendor

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I suggest MacOS and Time Machine

    Now, there's a vendor I do despise.

    Let me guess.... You like the System III/V side of the UNIX family instead?


  • Vendor

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    What I do in my spare time is my own business. If I want to use free software on something and don't want to pay for support for free software, I wont.

    I pay for all kinds of software and things at home because I don't want to waste my time on things. Backups of my personal data is worth $50 a year. My 2 cents, is for most people it's worth it. If the alternative is spending 4 hours rebuilding your desktop image it's still worth it.



  • @storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    What I do in my spare time is my own business. If I want to use free software on something and don't want to pay for support for free software, I wont.

    I pay for all kinds of software and things at home because I don't want to waste my time on things. Backups of my personal data is worth $50 a year. My 2 cents, is for most people it's worth it. If the alternative is spending 4 hours rebuilding your desktop image it's still worth it.

    I pay for all kinds of software and services at home too. What is a waste of time, however, is subjective, and very much depends on things you just cannot possibly know.



  • @storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    If the alternative is spending 4 hours rebuilding your desktop image it's still worth it.

    On semi-related fact is that I have my stuff set up so a rebuild takes little longer than the install... 20 minutes tops if it's a surprise. Not sure how it can get to 4 hours with some standard organizational skills.



  • @storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    I don't hate Veeam. I just hate how they support some of their products.

    They will support it, you are just not willing to pay....

    I think what @Tim_G says is that he has the perception that Veeam releases the linux agent for free but then doesn't care about maintaining it compatible or giving proper support in the community . He probably refers to the difference found in support forums between a free commercial product and a proper opensource product with its own community. Two very different beasts IMHO.

    I've just tried their agent for windows once and never looked in it soo much, therefore can't say.

    The only think I know is that breaking a linux machine is quite hard to me and I tend to use stuff like rsnapshot for my spare time stuff... and a clonezilla just a beginning of a new deployment (just in case). All my SMB workloads are VM running agentless backups with Altaro at HV level. And my linux VM are all deployed with Ansible now so I really don't mind so much about more complex backup solutions for Linux.

    I mostly mind for windows... 'coz it really scarries me :-s !



  • @storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g Welcome to Linux. All kinds of shit breaks on new kernels...

    If you want a *Nix based desktop that just "@#[email protected]% works" and has a bare metal backup may I suggest MacOS and Time Machine? You can from the BIOS re-install bare metal even from Apple's servers (PXE over WAN).

    What's bizarre to me is that you would waste time on forum support for something you complain enough to spend 30 minutes troubleshooting in forums or complaining here about. A license is $50-$30 per desktop per year. You apparently WANT a backup of the desktop and see value in it, but don't want to spend money....

    I want a functioning car. I don't want to pay for gas. Sadly this doesn't work.

    I’ve never had anything break with kernel updates except junk that installs third party kernel modules.

    Relax and Recover does bare metal backups just fine, but who needs them when you can kickstart a physical machine and have it back to the exact same image in ~10 minutes? Our kickstart adds bare necessities like repos in the post install and then on reboot Ansible does a provisioning callback to Tower/AWX and Tower provisions the system. PXE boot, walk away and go to the bathroom and get coffee and come back and start working again.



  • @storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:

    @tim_g Welcome to Linux. All kinds of shit breaks on new kernels...

    If you want a *Nix based desktop that just "@#[email protected]% works" and has a bare metal backup may I suggest MacOS and Time Machine? You can from the BIOS re-install bare metal even from Apple's servers (PXE over WAN).

    What's bizarre to me is that you would waste time on forum support for something you complain enough to spend 30 minutes troubleshooting in forums or complaining here about. A license is $50-$30 per desktop per year. You apparently WANT a backup of the desktop and see value in it, but don't want to spend money....

    I want a functioning car. I don't want to pay for gas. Sadly this doesn't work.

    What crap software are you dealing with? Don’t know any software with this kind of problems. What crap does VMware run that they can’t update?