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    UNIX: Switching Users with su

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    • GreyG
      Grey
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      Pop quiz: why do you need the dash with su?

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      • BRRABillB
        BRRABill
        last edited by

        And why is it sometimes

        one dash

        and other times

        two dashes

        for other commands?

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        • alex.olynykA
          alex.olynyk @BRRABill
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          @BRRABill Exactly! Inquiring minds want to know

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          • travisdh1T
            travisdh1 @BRRABill
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            @BRRABill said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

            And why is it sometimes

            one dash

            One dash is normally used for "shorthand", or shorted operators for the different programs. IE

            ls -ha
            

            -h is really --human-readable being passed to ls and
            -a is really --all being passed to ls

            and other times

            two dashes

            Two dashes are normally "long form", see my previous ls example.

            for other commands?

            It's really just up to whoever wrote the program. For example, mdadm has lots and lots of optional command line switches. Because of how many long form options mdadm has, very few can be a single letter and still have each option be unique.

            I'm sure I've got the details wrong and @scottalanmiller will pipe in sometime soon.

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            • BRRABillB
              BRRABill @travisdh1
              last edited by

              @travisdh1 said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

              @BRRABill said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

              And why is it sometimes

              one dash

              One dash is normally used for "shorthand", or shorted operators for the different programs. IE

              ls -ha
              

              -h is really --human-readable being passed to ls and
              -a is really --all being passed to ls

              and other times

              two dashes

              Two dashes are normally "long form", see my previous ls example.

              for other commands?

              It's really just up to whoever wrote the program. For example, mdadm has lots and lots of optional command line switches. Because of how many long form options mdadm has, very few can be a single letter and still have each option be unique.

              I'm sure I've got the details wrong and @scottalanmiller will pipe in sometime soon.

              Will | in very soon?

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              • travisdh1T
                travisdh1 @BRRABill
                last edited by

                @BRRABill said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

                @travisdh1 said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

                @BRRABill said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

                And why is it sometimes

                one dash

                One dash is normally used for "shorthand", or shorted operators for the different programs. IE

                ls -ha
                

                -h is really --human-readable being passed to ls and
                -a is really --all being passed to ls

                and other times

                two dashes

                Two dashes are normally "long form", see my previous ls example.

                for other commands?

                It's really just up to whoever wrote the program. For example, mdadm has lots and lots of optional command line switches. Because of how many long form options mdadm has, very few can be a single letter and still have each option be unique.

                I'm sure I've got the details wrong and @scottalanmiller will pipe in sometime soon.

                Will | in very soon?

                I'm so puny I don't even know it!

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @BRRABill
                  last edited by

                  @BRRABill said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

                  And why is it sometimes

                  one dash

                  and other times

                  two dashes

                  for other commands?

                  Because "commands" aren't really what they are. They are independent applications. There are conventions but that is all that they are.

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                  • GreyG
                    Grey @Grey
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                    @Grey said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

                    Pop quiz: why do you need the dash with su?

                    Still no answers for this... hint: it has to do with environment.

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403 @Grey
                      last edited by

                      @Grey said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

                      @Grey said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

                      Pop quiz: why do you need the dash with su?

                      Still no answers for this... hint: it has to do with environment.

                      Because it provides the user the full environmental experience of the new identity. For this reason, su is almost always used with a hyphen.

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                      • GreyG
                        Grey @DustinB3403
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                        @DustinB3403 said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

                        @Grey said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

                        @Grey said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

                        Pop quiz: why do you need the dash with su?

                        Still no answers for this... hint: it has to do with environment.

                        Because it provides the user the full environmental experience of the new identity. For this reason, su is almost always used with a hyphen.

                        Exactly! Lots of linux n00bs skip the dash and it's amazing to see the confusion when things just "aren't right" as they're working in the shell.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Grey
                          last edited by

                          @Grey said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

                          Pop quiz: why do you need the dash with su?

                          That was in the original article.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

                            @Grey said in UNIX: Switching Users with su:

                            Pop quiz: why do you need the dash with su?

                            That was in the original article.

                            And I quoted you without quoting you..... see what I did there, I switched a few words 😛

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