If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?
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Instead of feeling like you are seeing lots of things pointing to the value of college, you should be thinking wow, in order to sell me college people are willing to post some ridiculous points thinking that I would not catch on. Most of those articles aren't reasonable and indicate a clear attempt to mislead or that the authors are truly clueless and that should scare you a lot about college grads that this is the best promotional stuff that they can come up with. It's overly transparent that they are willing to say anything hoping that you don't think critically about what they have said.
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@scottalanmiller said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Breffni-Potter said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
The need for a degree is due to the HR machine, would that HR machine look at the school in question and filter you out automatically?
This is something that people mention a lot and it definitely happens in the absolute lowest end jobs. But how often does it actually happen? I've never seen it in real life.
It happened to me at a widely known venue in central London. This was not a low end role, this was a technical position. CV and application was submitted into an online machine after researching it, did exactly what we dread, keyword scored it and I never heard back.
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@Breffni-Potter said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@scottalanmiller said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Breffni-Potter said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
The need for a degree is due to the HR machine, would that HR machine look at the school in question and filter you out automatically?
This is something that people mention a lot and it definitely happens in the absolute lowest end jobs. But how often does it actually happen? I've never seen it in real life.
It happened to me at a widely known venue in central London. This was not a low end role, this was a technical position. CV and application was submitted into an online machine after researching it, did exactly what we dread, keyword scored it and I never heard back.
Those things are so easy to bypass it's not even funny. That's all I'll say about it.
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@travisdh1 said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Breffni-Potter said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@scottalanmiller said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Breffni-Potter said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
The need for a degree is due to the HR machine, would that HR machine look at the school in question and filter you out automatically?
This is something that people mention a lot and it definitely happens in the absolute lowest end jobs. But how often does it actually happen? I've never seen it in real life.
It happened to me at a widely known venue in central London. This was not a low end role, this was a technical position. CV and application was submitted into an online machine after researching it, did exactly what we dread, keyword scored it and I never heard back.
Those things are so easy to bypass it's not even funny. That's all I'll say about it.
oh? do you know the magic keywords that bypass them? LOL
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@Dashrender said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@travisdh1 said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Breffni-Potter said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@scottalanmiller said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Breffni-Potter said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
The need for a degree is due to the HR machine, would that HR machine look at the school in question and filter you out automatically?
This is something that people mention a lot and it definitely happens in the absolute lowest end jobs. But how often does it actually happen? I've never seen it in real life.
It happened to me at a widely known venue in central London. This was not a low end role, this was a technical position. CV and application was submitted into an online machine after researching it, did exactly what we dread, keyword scored it and I never heard back.
Those things are so easy to bypass it's not even funny. That's all I'll say about it.
oh? do you know the magic keywords that bypass them? LOL
Just look at what they're asking for... if that doesn't get you past the front gate then they don't know wtf anyway.
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@scottalanmiller
Can you point me to some statistics on all of this? -
There aren't any - companies would have to report, and you'd have to trust that - why would they in either case?
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@Dashrender Well, here's my point. I can find studies, statistics, and reports all pointing toward a significantly high correlation in the requirement of a degree.
Unless the entire country is in on this attempt to con you into college, I have to assume at least someone would have taken time to show that this isn't the case.
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@FiyaFly said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Dashrender Well, here's my point. I can find studies, statistics, and reports all pointing toward a significantly high correlation in the requirement of a degree.
Unless the entire country is in on this attempt to con you into college, I have to assume at least someone would have taken time to show that this isn't the case.
Most people have invested crazy amounts of time and money to get that piece of paper. And let's be honest here, it really is only a piece of paper.
We've had at least one long conversation about this here already.
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@travisdh1 said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@FiyaFly said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Dashrender Well, here's my point. I can find studies, statistics, and reports all pointing toward a significantly high correlation in the requirement of a degree.
Unless the entire country is in on this attempt to con you into college, I have to assume at least someone would have taken time to show that this isn't the case.
Most people have invested crazy amounts of time and money to get that piece of paper. And let's be honest here, it really is only a piece of paper.
We've had at least one long conversation about this here already.
Here's where it seems to get lost on what I'm saying- I absolutely agree with you. It's educational merit is, literally, nonexistent. You will not learn a single thing from college classes that you could not have learned in the real world a whole lot easier. It's ignorant and a significant ploy for money.
Problem is, we're the minority in that line of though enough to where a lot of jobs require it to be considered. We can argue 'They have no idea what they're talking about' and 'there's something seriously wrong with that company', but since this happens at a majority of companies, that makes us very, very limited in job choice. I'd love to be able to write off any company that does that. But, as I said, enough do to the point of finding it hard to be even considered by a job, let alone being able to choose which one out of a set you find most appealing.
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@FiyaFly Well, I'm going to be finding out for real here soon. I'll see how things go.
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@travisdh1 said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@FiyaFly Well, I'm going to be finding out for real here soon. I'll see how things go.
How so?
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@FiyaFly said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@travisdh1 said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@FiyaFly Well, I'm going to be finding out for real here soon. I'll see how things go.
How so?
It's been 9 years, and I know I could make significantly more money elsewhere, so job hunt time.
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TL;DR
I get the jist... . honestly you have to look first at are YOU a good student? From my personal experience I myself am not. I dislike a class room environment - drives me to utter and complete boredom faster then the Space Shuttle on Re-entry.... (burn)
There are things I want to learn, and areas I realized more then 3 decades ago that I had no interest in... Don't get me wrong, I love a good challenge,.. and look for them (I"m working on a 'borked' MS Surface right now). But I have my limits, I have what I am good at,.. sometimes even excel at. I am willing and can learn things,.. the day I stop learning is the day I am no longer part of this universe...
A University Education (paper) doesn't always get you more money,.. Being able to adapt, learn and move forward will more so than anything.
But I am also a quark... I learn differently, @scottalanmiller can show me some thing in Linux and it makes perfect sense to him and many many others,.. but I won't get it. Show me a different way and it may make perfect sense and I'll have it down.... I admire @scottalanmiller and all he knows,.. and I accept that I am not in the same league.....
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The HR blockade is not a myth. I did it myself once. I had a position open and I got a stack of resumes so thick I didn't have the time to go through them. I sent the pile back to HR and said, "Show me the ones with a 4 year degree." For a $14 /hr job it only cut the pile in half. It's sad on a bunch of levels.
With that said, there are lots of jobs out there where there is really only one person considered for the job, and it's because the employer has knowledge of the employee's skills, and the degree doesn't much matter.
If I was job hunting, I would go spear fishing in places where I wanted to work, not just applying to every add out there.
It's different if you're in your 20s. You may not have much to show a potential employer.
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I don't think people have paid much attention to the question at hand though. For $8,000 a bachelors degree in 1 year?
I might do it. It's only 1 year of learning and not earning, and then you have the 4 year degree for all it's worth. If you're in your 20s it may open doors that weren't open to you before.
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@Mike-Davis said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
I don't think people have paid much attention to the question at hand though. For $8,000 a bachelors degree in 1 year?
I might do it. It's only 1 year of learning and not earning, and then you have the 4 year degree for all it's worth. If you're in your 20s it may open doors that weren't open to you before.
That said, what if it was 1 year of learning, while still working full-time? Because the main concept is testing out and working at your own pace, in theory you could still work and go for a degree.
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@FiyaFly said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
what if it was 1 year of learning, while still working full-time?
I would probably do it. One of the main arguments against college is that it's an opportunity lost when you go to school instead of doing real world stuff. If you're doing real world stuff and hustling to get your degree, you should emerge much more focused on what you really want to do.
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Guidance counselors should be replaced by loan officers. Problem solved. They would look at what you want to buy (a degree) look a bunch of other stuff such as likelyhood that you can repay the loan (do degrees in this field pay for themselves) and approve or reject your application based on numbers and risk.
I don't think to many art degrees would be approved...
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@FiyaFly said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Mike-Davis said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
I don't think people have paid much attention to the question at hand though. For $8,000 a bachelors degree in 1 year?
I might do it. It's only 1 year of learning and not earning, and then you have the 4 year degree for all it's worth. If you're in your 20s it may open doors that weren't open to you before.
That said, what if it was 1 year of learning, while still working full-time? Because the main concept is testing out and working at your own pace, in theory you could still work and go for a degree.
The fact that you can just test out of it kinda proves it's not worth anything - heck, you should get a job debunking those places if this actually worked out.. you should go on the preaching about how worthless this paper mill is so employers stop giving them any credibility.
