If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?
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@travisdh1 said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Breffni-Potter said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@scottalanmiller said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Breffni-Potter said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
The need for a degree is due to the HR machine, would that HR machine look at the school in question and filter you out automatically?
This is something that people mention a lot and it definitely happens in the absolute lowest end jobs. But how often does it actually happen? I've never seen it in real life.
It happened to me at a widely known venue in central London. This was not a low end role, this was a technical position. CV and application was submitted into an online machine after researching it, did exactly what we dread, keyword scored it and I never heard back.
Those things are so easy to bypass it's not even funny. That's all I'll say about it.
oh? do you know the magic keywords that bypass them? LOL
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@Dashrender said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@travisdh1 said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Breffni-Potter said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@scottalanmiller said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Breffni-Potter said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
The need for a degree is due to the HR machine, would that HR machine look at the school in question and filter you out automatically?
This is something that people mention a lot and it definitely happens in the absolute lowest end jobs. But how often does it actually happen? I've never seen it in real life.
It happened to me at a widely known venue in central London. This was not a low end role, this was a technical position. CV and application was submitted into an online machine after researching it, did exactly what we dread, keyword scored it and I never heard back.
Those things are so easy to bypass it's not even funny. That's all I'll say about it.
oh? do you know the magic keywords that bypass them? LOL
Just look at what they're asking for... if that doesn't get you past the front gate then they don't know wtf anyway.
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@scottalanmiller
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There aren't any - companies would have to report, and you'd have to trust that - why would they in either case?
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@Dashrender Well, here's my point. I can find studies, statistics, and reports all pointing toward a significantly high correlation in the requirement of a degree.
Unless the entire country is in on this attempt to con you into college, I have to assume at least someone would have taken time to show that this isn't the case.
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@FiyaFly said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Dashrender Well, here's my point. I can find studies, statistics, and reports all pointing toward a significantly high correlation in the requirement of a degree.
Unless the entire country is in on this attempt to con you into college, I have to assume at least someone would have taken time to show that this isn't the case.
Most people have invested crazy amounts of time and money to get that piece of paper. And let's be honest here, it really is only a piece of paper.
We've had at least one long conversation about this here already.
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@travisdh1 said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@FiyaFly said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Dashrender Well, here's my point. I can find studies, statistics, and reports all pointing toward a significantly high correlation in the requirement of a degree.
Unless the entire country is in on this attempt to con you into college, I have to assume at least someone would have taken time to show that this isn't the case.
Most people have invested crazy amounts of time and money to get that piece of paper. And let's be honest here, it really is only a piece of paper.
We've had at least one long conversation about this here already.
Here's where it seems to get lost on what I'm saying- I absolutely agree with you. It's educational merit is, literally, nonexistent. You will not learn a single thing from college classes that you could not have learned in the real world a whole lot easier. It's ignorant and a significant ploy for money.
Problem is, we're the minority in that line of though enough to where a lot of jobs require it to be considered. We can argue 'They have no idea what they're talking about' and 'there's something seriously wrong with that company', but since this happens at a majority of companies, that makes us very, very limited in job choice. I'd love to be able to write off any company that does that. But, as I said, enough do to the point of finding it hard to be even considered by a job, let alone being able to choose which one out of a set you find most appealing.
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@FiyaFly Well, I'm going to be finding out for real here soon. I'll see how things go.
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@travisdh1 said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@FiyaFly Well, I'm going to be finding out for real here soon. I'll see how things go.
How so?
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@FiyaFly said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@travisdh1 said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@FiyaFly Well, I'm going to be finding out for real here soon. I'll see how things go.
How so?
It's been 9 years, and I know I could make significantly more money elsewhere, so job hunt time.
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I get the jist... . honestly you have to look first at are YOU a good student? From my personal experience I myself am not. I dislike a class room environment - drives me to utter and complete boredom faster then the Space Shuttle on Re-entry.... (burn)
There are things I want to learn, and areas I realized more then 3 decades ago that I had no interest in... Don't get me wrong, I love a good challenge,.. and look for them (I"m working on a 'borked' MS Surface right now). But I have my limits, I have what I am good at,.. sometimes even excel at. I am willing and can learn things,.. the day I stop learning is the day I am no longer part of this universe...
A University Education (paper) doesn't always get you more money,.. Being able to adapt, learn and move forward will more so than anything.
But I am also a quark... I learn differently, @scottalanmiller can show me some thing in Linux and it makes perfect sense to him and many many others,.. but I won't get it. Show me a different way and it may make perfect sense and I'll have it down.... I admire @scottalanmiller and all he knows,.. and I accept that I am not in the same league.....
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The HR blockade is not a myth. I did it myself once. I had a position open and I got a stack of resumes so thick I didn't have the time to go through them. I sent the pile back to HR and said, "Show me the ones with a 4 year degree." For a $14 /hr job it only cut the pile in half. It's sad on a bunch of levels.
With that said, there are lots of jobs out there where there is really only one person considered for the job, and it's because the employer has knowledge of the employee's skills, and the degree doesn't much matter.
If I was job hunting, I would go spear fishing in places where I wanted to work, not just applying to every add out there.
It's different if you're in your 20s. You may not have much to show a potential employer.
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I don't think people have paid much attention to the question at hand though. For $8,000 a bachelors degree in 1 year?
I might do it. It's only 1 year of learning and not earning, and then you have the 4 year degree for all it's worth. If you're in your 20s it may open doors that weren't open to you before.
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@Mike-Davis said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
I don't think people have paid much attention to the question at hand though. For $8,000 a bachelors degree in 1 year?
I might do it. It's only 1 year of learning and not earning, and then you have the 4 year degree for all it's worth. If you're in your 20s it may open doors that weren't open to you before.
That said, what if it was 1 year of learning, while still working full-time? Because the main concept is testing out and working at your own pace, in theory you could still work and go for a degree.
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@FiyaFly said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
what if it was 1 year of learning, while still working full-time?
I would probably do it. One of the main arguments against college is that it's an opportunity lost when you go to school instead of doing real world stuff. If you're doing real world stuff and hustling to get your degree, you should emerge much more focused on what you really want to do.
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Guidance counselors should be replaced by loan officers. Problem solved. They would look at what you want to buy (a degree) look a bunch of other stuff such as likelyhood that you can repay the loan (do degrees in this field pay for themselves) and approve or reject your application based on numbers and risk.
I don't think to many art degrees would be approved...
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@FiyaFly said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Mike-Davis said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
I don't think people have paid much attention to the question at hand though. For $8,000 a bachelors degree in 1 year?
I might do it. It's only 1 year of learning and not earning, and then you have the 4 year degree for all it's worth. If you're in your 20s it may open doors that weren't open to you before.
That said, what if it was 1 year of learning, while still working full-time? Because the main concept is testing out and working at your own pace, in theory you could still work and go for a degree.
The fact that you can just test out of it kinda proves it's not worth anything - heck, you should get a job debunking those places if this actually worked out.. you should go on the preaching about how worthless this paper mill is so employers stop giving them any credibility.
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@Dashrender said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
The fact that you can just test out of it kinda proves it's not worth anything
I don't really agree with that since I tested out of some courses. I was going to night school and a couple years of real world experience. I took the final for "Business Application Software" (Word/Excel/PowerPoint) and aced it. If I didn't know my way around Office, I would have failed.
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@Dashrender said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@FiyaFly said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@Mike-Davis said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
I don't think people have paid much attention to the question at hand though. For $8,000 a bachelors degree in 1 year?
I might do it. It's only 1 year of learning and not earning, and then you have the 4 year degree for all it's worth. If you're in your 20s it may open doors that weren't open to you before.
That said, what if it was 1 year of learning, while still working full-time? Because the main concept is testing out and working at your own pace, in theory you could still work and go for a degree.
The fact that you can just test out of it kinda proves it's not worth anything - heck, you should get a job debunking those places if this actually worked out.. you should go on the preaching about how worthless this paper mill is so employers stop giving them any credibility.
Agreed lol. Maybe I could make a difference on the social mentality of this being a requirement. Even without factoring in certifications, there are standardized exams to cover the first two years of a Bachelor's, which is just GenEd, then considering I've been in the field for six years I could put together a portfolio and get that reviewed to get some credit off of it. Then, from there, either test out of classes or see what else I could do to apply credit. It's a pretty logical process from how I read it, but you're right. That essentially proves, at the very least, it is equivalent to experience(but we know where those two actually rank in accordance to each other). But, businesses will still filter by degree.
Here is my thought on the entire thing- the main thing businesses are trying to do is narrow it down to the most likely candidate to be productive and knowledgeable. They are looking for the quickest and easiest methods to doing that because, hey, who wants to go the hard road when you can take the efficient one? So, they try to find a common denominator which is meant to show a higher knowledge of something. Since they cannot easily find a single, specific denominator for tech (there are hundreds of certifications, making it a bit harder. Though, some are leaning towards those as well) they take the general one, which is a degree. It is seen as "Since you spent four years specifically and likely solely improving your knowledge and education, we are going to assume that you know more than those who don't, and you put a higher value on education, meaning you may be better as well for climbing the ladder."
That's my two-cents on it.
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@FiyaFly said in If you could get a Bachelor's Degree for under $8,000 in less than a year... would you?:
@scottalanmiller
Can you point me to some statistics on all of this?US Labor Department publishes them, they don't do them for IT, they do them for the whole economy which is even more shocking that IT where it is the most dramatic in the favour or skipping college isn't unique and even when you lump in people who can't get into college or doctors or lawyers you still don't see the benefits of college on average.
