Unsolved analog video stream
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@Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:
I'll check on the model of the TVs. I doubt they have web capabilities.
If they don't does someone know a model of a media device than can web in to the camera and convert the feed?
Ours uses a Roku. They stream the feed to a service. You can get the feed anywhere, and they use Rokus locally in the church to get the feed. However this adds a ton of latency. Like the feed is around 5-10 mins behind.
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@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@coliver said in analog video stream:
You could even broadcast with Twitch or a streaming service with an IP camera or something attached to a laptop. Use something like OBS.
YouTube and Facebook too, these days.
Most churches don't have the bandwidth for that nor do they want ads to be shown that they can't control on their stream.
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@Mike-Davis I get where you're coming from with using equipment that hopefully never needs to be touched, but I do agree with @scottalanmiller . There are a lot of video solutions that aren't expensive and aren't analog. Using analog might be what a lot of the church members (who I'm guessing are predominantly an older group) would be familiar with but it's setting them up for compatibility issues, etc in the future. I agree with Scott. Get a couple of decent, inexpensive smart TVs (Black Friday is fast approaching...just saying...to be followed by Cyber Monday). Get a couple of inexpensive IP cameras. I know D-Link has some that are decent that are less than $100 for indoor ones with good quality. Hook those up and just launch it in a browser on the TV.
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@Jason said in analog video stream:
@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@coliver said in analog video stream:
You could even broadcast with Twitch or a streaming service with an IP camera or something attached to a laptop. Use something like OBS.
YouTube and Facebook too, these days.
Most churches don't have the bandwidth for that nor do they want ads to be shown that they can't control on their stream.
True, but does Twitch make that any better?
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@Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:
I'll check on the model of the TVs. I doubt they have web capabilities.
If they don't does someone know a model of a media device than can web in to the camera and convert the feed?
So the really simple approach to this is to find a decent / good webcam with Mic that has its own webserver built in (a lot of IP camera's do this by default now).
From the TV (assuming you have a smart tv with browser) just open the browser, enter the camera IP address, and off to the races.
Worst case you might put a tiny cheap computer on the back of the TV (monitor at this point) and access the camera's IP address that way.
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I personally would recommend the approach of using a broadcast service like Youtube, a decent mini-pc (asus brix for example) and setting up a stream.
From any smart TV you'd access the youtube channel and be golden.
Just need IP at each device and basic internet service.
Edit: Which makes this incredibly simple and future forward design.
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@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
So with an IP setup you need...
one wireless IP cam....
That's it.
This assumes the TV supports whatever decoding the website the camera's webhoster uses. i.e. is it flash based? if so, does the TV support flash?
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I wonder if an IP camera with built in webserver and a Chromecast might work?
Then an old Android device could be used to control the Chromecasts.
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@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
I wonder if an IP camera with built in webserver and a Chromecast might work?
Than an old Android device could be used to control the Chromecasts.
Not a bad idea. Have not seen that yet.
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This may work for you if you have old Android or iPhones.. We use Presence at home to turn one of our old iphones into a kid monitor in the playroom. Free for use. Load the app on one device as the "camera" and then load the app on say an ipad or an android tablet as the monitor. May work with one of the Android TV sticks as well.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/presence-free-smart-home-motion/id618598211?mt=8
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.peoplepowerco.presencepro&hl=en -
@jt1001001 I don't think the solution is to hobble something together from parts, but to provide a simple to use and hands off solution. Excluding turning the TV on.
Not that using this may work, no one wants something that looks and feels hobbled.
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So @Mike-Davis have you made any separate considerations for this, is there a budget for this?
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@DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.
The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.
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@Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:
@DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.
The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.
Your issues here are all the same.... started buying gear without any planning. The two pieces you need for this, the ONLY two pieces you need, are the right TVs and the right cameras. Neither of which have been planned correctly. So reading back, it sounds like the only goal was to move money somewhere, not to view videos. Why were televisions purchased without planning? What was their end goal?
That you need things like servers is because of other problems.
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@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:
@DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.
The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.
Your issues here are all the same.... started buying gear without any planning. The two pieces you need for this, the ONLY two pieces you need, are the right TVs and the right cameras. Neither of which have been planned correctly. So reading back, it sounds like the only goal was to move money somewhere, not to view videos. Why were televisions purchased without planning? What was their end goal?
That you need things like servers is because of other problems.
LOL - I love the instant jump to they didn't plan, so they must just be out to screw the company.
I'm sure there wasn't any malice here, but there definitely wasn't any planning either - and no, one does not equal the other, if you were thinking that way.
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@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
LOL - I love the instant jump to they didn't plan, so they must just be out to screw the company.
Everyone, literally everyone knows that a failure to plan is a plan to fail.
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Agreed. I'm waiting on the model numbers of the TVs. Even if they are Smart TVs, it doesn't look like I can use Ubiquiti cameras without a server.
Can anyone recommend a camera that they know works in the browser of a TV?
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@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
I'm sure there wasn't any malice here, but there definitely wasn't any planning either - and no, one does not equal the other, if you were thinking that way.
Are you sure one does not equal the other? Spending someone elses' money without bothering to plan sure sounds like a description of malice.
If your teenager took hundreds of dollars on your behalf and just bought "whatever" without checking what was needed, they'd be in trouble for that, right? Why? Because being a buyer on someone's behalf and not bothering to try to buy what was needed but just buying to buy is considered a bit malicious by normal people.
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Really? Webcams and shit IP cameras? Do you want the old people at church to get a seizure from the 10fps and heart attacks from the configuration of the software? It's like none of you ever worked in AV.
Simplicity is needed here. Turn it on, point and shoot.
https://www.epiphan.com/products/pearl/
Throw in a nice Canon camera, run some quick VGA and/or HDMI cables and you are good to go.
Yeah, ain't as cheap as the other solutions, but do you really want the word of God to look like shit?
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@Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:
Agreed. I'm waiting on the model numbers of the TVs. Even if they are Smart TVs, it doesn't look like I can use Ubiquiti cameras without a server.
Correct, they are not the right gear for this situation. Those are security cameras that are part of an integrated security system. Not appropriate style for what is needed here.
Axis would work, even 15 years ago, but it very high end and expensive.
