How would you counter offer a job proposal
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@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
And the counter offer was immediately refused.
So if he wasn't willing to negotiate maybe the position wasn't worth looking into.
That would be my take. He wasn't able to make you an offer worth you taking. It is what it is. You aren't desperate or out of work, you are just looking for a place to move up in the world. If they couldn't match what you make currently, it probably wasn't much of a step up.
That is how I viewed it as well.
Too many jobs get into the mindset that everyone that they hire is desperate and just happy to get an offer. They often forget that the people that they should be wanting to hire need incentive to want to work for them.
And they should want to hire people who are already working - should be asking why aren't they working?
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For real, if 55k is similar to what you make now, and the benefits are the same, but the drive is 4x longer, and you don't need to move jobs... Pass. Nope. Not for you. Working g for an MSP sucks imo.
"Dear xyz,
Thank you for the offer of 55k. I appreciate your offer but must decline. I am comfortable in my current role; to entice me to leave a comfortable job with a far longer commute I would need a fair increase in wages and benefits. I'd reconsider for 65k and 10% bonus, private healthcare and life insurance, and x days leave per year.I'd be very excited to work with you but the finances must be financially viable. Sadly, 55k does not meet that requirement for me.
If you can reconsider I'd look forward to agreeing a contract. Otherwise I wish you luck in your search."
Boom.
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Sorry to hear we are unable to meet agreeable terms. Thank you for your time and all the best in your search.
Regards
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I have been desperate once, but employed. Took a hefty pay cut to get out of a crap situation. Once able to take my time, secured a job with a 20-30% increase on the original pay. Basically, only take a low ball when you need to otherwise make them pay what you are worth.
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In the states, can new employers see what you made in previous jobs?
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@Jimmy9008 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
In the states, can new employers see what you made in previous jobs?
That depends on where you are coming from. But the general answer is no.
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@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Jimmy9008 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
In the states, can new employers see what you made in previous jobs?
That depends on where you are coming from. But the general answer is no.
In this case, tell a white lie.
"Sorry, but my current pay and bonus exceed the offer. For any move to be financially viable I'd need 65k"
How would they know...
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@Jimmy9008 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Jimmy9008 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
In the states, can new employers see what you made in previous jobs?
That depends on where you are coming from. But the general answer is no.
In this case, tell a white lie.
"Sorry, but my current pay and bonus exceed the offer. For any move to be financially viable I'd need 65k"
How would they know...
he didn't even need to lie, he gave them a counter offer and they already said no. And that counter offer was $58, 14% more than their original offer.
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@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Jimmy9008 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Jimmy9008 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
In the states, can new employers see what you made in previous jobs?
That depends on where you are coming from. But the general answer is no.
In this case, tell a white lie.
"Sorry, but my current pay and bonus exceed the offer. For any move to be financially viable I'd need 65k"
How would they know...
he didn't even need to lie, he gave them a counter offer and they already said no. And that counter offer was $58, 14% more than their original offer.
Fair
Least op knows now. No guessing.
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@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
And the counter offer was immediately refused.
So if he wasn't willing to negotiate maybe the position wasn't worth looking into.
That would be my take. He wasn't able to make you an offer worth you taking. It is what it is. You aren't desperate or out of work, you are just looking for a place to move up in the world. If they couldn't match what you make currently, it probably wasn't much of a step up.
That is how I viewed it as well.
Too many jobs get into the mindset that everyone that they hire is desperate and just happy to get an offer. They often forget that the people that they should be wanting to hire need incentive to want to work for them.
And they should want to hire people who are already working - should be asking why aren't they working?
Surprisingly, a tonne of companies actually only want people who are desperate and basically unemployable. Why? I'm not sure. Somehow they think that cheaper labour is better than good labour.
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@Jimmy9008 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
I have been desperate once, but employed. Took a hefty pay cut to get out of a crap situation. Once able to take my time, secured a job with a 20-30% increase on the original pay. Basically, only take a low ball when you need to otherwise make them pay what you are worth.
Been there too, it happens.
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@Jimmy9008 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
In the states, can new employers see what you made in previous jobs?
No, only if you disclose it.
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@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Jimmy9008 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Jimmy9008 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
In the states, can new employers see what you made in previous jobs?
That depends on where you are coming from. But the general answer is no.
In this case, tell a white lie.
"Sorry, but my current pay and bonus exceed the offer. For any move to be financially viable I'd need 65k"
How would they know...
he didn't even need to lie, he gave them a counter offer and they already said no. And that counter offer was $58, 14% more than their original offer.
His full offer was $55K, I thought that he countered with $58K. That's only a $3K increase. Under 3%.
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@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
And the counter offer was immediately refused.
So if he wasn't willing to negotiate maybe the position wasn't worth looking into.
That would be my take. He wasn't able to make you an offer worth you taking. It is what it is. You aren't desperate or out of work, you are just looking for a place to move up in the world. If they couldn't match what you make currently, it probably wasn't much of a step up.
That is how I viewed it as well.
Too many jobs get into the mindset that everyone that they hire is desperate and just happy to get an offer. They often forget that the people that they should be wanting to hire need incentive to want to work for them.
And they should want to hire people who are already working - should be asking why aren't they working?
Surprisingly, a tonne of companies actually only want people who are desperate and basically unemployable. Why? I'm not sure. Somehow they think that cheaper labour is better than good labour.
This is why I like my current employer so much and have stuck around. Motivated people who are here because they really really want to be.
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Yes, my counter was 58 (benefits included) and was immediately turned down.
Which that pay would be marginally better than what I have currently with all things considered.
Cell phone, insurance, drive time, PTO etc.
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@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Jimmy9008 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Jimmy9008 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
In the states, can new employers see what you made in previous jobs?
That depends on where you are coming from. But the general answer is no.
In this case, tell a white lie.
"Sorry, but my current pay and bonus exceed the offer. For any move to be financially viable I'd need 65k"
How would they know...
he didn't even need to lie, he gave them a counter offer and they already said no. And that counter offer was $58, 14% more than their original offer.
His full offer was $55K, I thought that he countered with $58K. That's only a $3K increase. Under 3%.
is my math messed up, or is $3k more like 5.4% of $55K? No matter what, $3k is definitely more than 3% of $55K, it would be 3% of $100K.
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Oh yeah. But still under 6%
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@MattSpeller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
And the counter offer was immediately refused.
So if he wasn't willing to negotiate maybe the position wasn't worth looking into.
That would be my take. He wasn't able to make you an offer worth you taking. It is what it is. You aren't desperate or out of work, you are just looking for a place to move up in the world. If they couldn't match what you make currently, it probably wasn't much of a step up.
That is how I viewed it as well.
Too many jobs get into the mindset that everyone that they hire is desperate and just happy to get an offer. They often forget that the people that they should be wanting to hire need incentive to want to work for them.
And they should want to hire people who are already working - should be asking why aren't they working?
Surprisingly, a tonne of companies actually only want people who are desperate and basically unemployable. Why? I'm not sure. Somehow they think that cheaper labour is better than good labour.
This is why I like my current employer so much and have stuck around. Motivated people who are here because they really really want to be.
I've seen a few places only hire desperate folks. Not sure why, I imagine it's something pathetic though like thinking that as you have helped them out in a tricky situation where they struggled and had no job... That the person would be more loyal. Silly.
If I were desperate and somebody used that to take advantage and pay me less than standard, they would have no respect from me and I would use them for a pay packet whilst searching for the job that does value me.
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@Jimmy9008 Yeah, my guess is that it is just bad managers.
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@MattSpeller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
And the counter offer was immediately refused.
So if he wasn't willing to negotiate maybe the position wasn't worth looking into.
That would be my take. He wasn't able to make you an offer worth you taking. It is what it is. You aren't desperate or out of work, you are just looking for a place to move up in the world. If they couldn't match what you make currently, it probably wasn't much of a step up.
That is how I viewed it as well.
Too many jobs get into the mindset that everyone that they hire is desperate and just happy to get an offer. They often forget that the people that they should be wanting to hire need incentive to want to work for them.
And they should want to hire people who are already working - should be asking why aren't they working?
Surprisingly, a tonne of companies actually only want people who are desperate and basically unemployable. Why? I'm not sure. Somehow they think that cheaper labour is better than good labour.
This is why I like my current employer so much and have stuck around. Motivated people who are here because they really really want to be.
Money cannot replace happiness. All of my job moves have not been about the money. I've been happy where I was at each time, until I wasn't happy... and then the job search began...
