Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence
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Well, to wind up in this situation, you'd have to break a pretty huge best practice situation - buy an OEM server license. I've never done that, so I have no idea.
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@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
I would assume the same to be true for server.
That's the gap. What works for a desktop does not apply to a server.
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@StrongBad said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
I would assume the same to be true for server.
That's the gap. What works for a desktop does not apply to a server.
What gap is that? I am very confident that it does work the same for both. I won't put a bet on it because I'm not 100%, but I'd say I'm 90% confident that you have to provide your media and Key to downgrade server OSs, just like workstation ones. But it will take someone calling their vendor and Microsoft to see what they are told. Sadly, as we all know, even those people know the legalities of it in reality.
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@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@StrongBad said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
I would assume the same to be true for server.
That's the gap. What works for a desktop does not apply to a server.
What gap is that? I am very confident that it does work the same for both. I won't put a bet on it because I'm not 100%, but I'd say I'm 90% confident that you have to provide your media and Key to downgrade server OSs, just like workstation ones. But it will take someone calling their vendor and Microsoft to see what they are told. Sadly, as we all know, even those people know the legalities of it in reality.
Looks like Server OEM does include the rights...
https://www.microsoft.com/OEM/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/downgrade_rights.aspx#fbid=SkhyGkCOpHB
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I never doubted the rights. What I'm unsure of is "how someone in a greenfield situation is suppose to install a downgraded version?" I'm 90% positive if you buy a Dell server with an OEM license for 2016, they will not provide you with 2012 media or key.
What I don't know is... if you call MS will they provide you one? Somehow I doubt they will either (I doubt it because of what I know about the workstation side, i.e. bring your own old key) -
@Dashrender I'm pretty sure that you have to bring your own for that.
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@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
I never doubted the rights. What I'm unsure of is "how someone in a greenfield situation is suppose to install a downgraded version?" I'm 90% positive if you buy a Dell server with an OEM license for 2016, they will not provide you with 2012 media or key.
What I don't know is... if you call MS will they provide you one? Somehow I doubt they will either (I doubt it because of what I know about the workstation side, i.e. bring your own old key)the last DELL server I bought came with 2012R2, 2012, and 2008 media.
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@BRRABill said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
I never doubted the rights. What I'm unsure of is "how someone in a greenfield situation is suppose to install a downgraded version?" I'm 90% positive if you buy a Dell server with an OEM license for 2016, they will not provide you with 2012 media or key.
What I don't know is... if you call MS will they provide you one? Somehow I doubt they will either (I doubt it because of what I know about the workstation side, i.e. bring your own old key)the last DELL server I bought came with 2012R2, 2012, and 2008 media.
I've never bought a dell server with an OEM license except once a LONG time ago. It only came with the media purchased. No prior versions.
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@JaredBusch said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@BRRABill said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
I never doubted the rights. What I'm unsure of is "how someone in a greenfield situation is suppose to install a downgraded version?" I'm 90% positive if you buy a Dell server with an OEM license for 2016, they will not provide you with 2012 media or key.
What I don't know is... if you call MS will they provide you one? Somehow I doubt they will either (I doubt it because of what I know about the workstation side, i.e. bring your own old key)the last DELL server I bought came with 2012R2, 2012, and 2008 media.
I've never bought a dell server with an OEM license except once a LONG time ago. It only came with the media purchased. No prior versions.
This was like 2.5 years ago, and it was an OEM license. Like I mentioned they gave all backward media.
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Server 2012 R2 is still an actively sold SKU through Volume Licensing channels.
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@BRRABill said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
I never doubted the rights. What I'm unsure of is "how someone in a greenfield situation is suppose to install a downgraded version?" I'm 90% positive if you buy a Dell server with an OEM license for 2016, they will not provide you with 2012 media or key.
What I don't know is... if you call MS will they provide you one? Somehow I doubt they will either (I doubt it because of what I know about the workstation side, i.e. bring your own old key)the last DELL server I bought came with 2012R2, 2012, and 2008 media.
what kind of license did you get?
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@JaredBusch said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@BRRABill said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
I never doubted the rights. What I'm unsure of is "how someone in a greenfield situation is suppose to install a downgraded version?" I'm 90% positive if you buy a Dell server with an OEM license for 2016, they will not provide you with 2012 media or key.
What I don't know is... if you call MS will they provide you one? Somehow I doubt they will either (I doubt it because of what I know about the workstation side, i.e. bring your own old key)the last DELL server I bought came with 2012R2, 2012, and 2008 media.
I've never bought a dell server with an OEM license except once a LONG time ago. It only came with the media purchased. No prior versions.
Yeah my servers only come with the media for the license version I purchase.
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@Jason said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
Server 2012 R2 is still an actively sold SKU through Volume Licensing channels.
Why would you buy that? It should be the same or nearly the same as 2016 (now for sale) and with VL you get access to old media and keys for downgrade rights. Buying an old version today seems unwise.
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@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Jason said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
Server 2012 R2 is still an actively sold SKU through Volume Licensing channels.
Why would you buy that? It should be the same or nearly the same as 2016 (now for sale) and with VL you get access to old media and keys for downgrade rights. Buying an old version today seems unwise.
For us it's over a $10k difference between 2012 R2 Datacenter and 2016 Datacenter per host. cores addup quickly.
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@Jason said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Jason said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
Server 2012 R2 is still an actively sold SKU through Volume Licensing channels.
Why would you buy that? It should be the same or nearly the same as 2016 (now for sale) and with VL you get access to old media and keys for downgrade rights. Buying an old version today seems unwise.
For us it's over a $10k difference between 2012 R2 Datacenter and 2016 Datacenter per host. cores addup quickly.
There's also functionality difference. But in a company like you're the fact that you don't have SA just floors me!
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Containers is about the only major new feature unless you are using hyper-v
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@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Jason said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Jason said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
Server 2012 R2 is still an actively sold SKU through Volume Licensing channels.
Why would you buy that? It should be the same or nearly the same as 2016 (now for sale) and with VL you get access to old media and keys for downgrade rights. Buying an old version today seems unwise.
For us it's over a $10k difference between 2012 R2 Datacenter and 2016 Datacenter per host. cores addup quickly.
There's also functionality difference. But in a company like you're the fact that you don't have SA just floors me!
With Microsofts update Cycle SA and the costs of stuff under EA is not worth it.
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@Jason said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Jason said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Jason said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
Server 2012 R2 is still an actively sold SKU through Volume Licensing channels.
Why would you buy that? It should be the same or nearly the same as 2016 (now for sale) and with VL you get access to old media and keys for downgrade rights. Buying an old version today seems unwise.
For us it's over a $10k difference between 2012 R2 Datacenter and 2016 Datacenter per host. cores addup quickly.
There's also functionality difference. But in a company like you're the fact that you don't have SA just floors me!
With Microsofts update Cycle SA and the costs of stuff under EA is not worth it.
I maintain SA on my servers, CALs and until next year Office. I'll be dumping Office for O365 next year ( I hope) Staying current is what I consider worthwhile.
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@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Jason said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Jason said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Dashrender said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
@Jason said in Downgrade Windows 2016 Licence:
Server 2012 R2 is still an actively sold SKU through Volume Licensing channels.
Why would you buy that? It should be the same or nearly the same as 2016 (now for sale) and with VL you get access to old media and keys for downgrade rights. Buying an old version today seems unwise.
For us it's over a $10k difference between 2012 R2 Datacenter and 2016 Datacenter per host. cores addup quickly.
There's also functionality difference. But in a company like you're the fact that you don't have SA just floors me!
With Microsofts update Cycle SA and the costs of stuff under EA is not worth it.
I maintain SA on my servers, CALs and until next year Office. I'll be dumping Office for O365 next year ( I hope) Staying current is what I consider worthwhile.
It's a pretty nice feature. People often underestimate the value of staying current.
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