What Are You Doing Right Now
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why does everyone hate Hulu so much?
It's the main network I watch these days (well, at least during normal fall/winter/spring TV season.
Summertime and breaks I'm watching re-runs on whatever network has the show I want.
Hulu - "pay us, and we will show you no ads. Wait, here's some ads, thanks for the money you dumbass."
OK I agree to a point that some shows require an ad before and after the show - meh. I almost never see the ad after because I stop the show during the credits, therefore the last ad never plays.. .the first ad does, but it's only one, then the show itself is uninterrupted.
Sure I could go from $12.99 to $6.99 and add typical ads to all the shows.. it's worth the $6 for so few ads.
I'd pay $10/m to surf the web ad free! Likely though, my surfing is probably worth a lot more than $10/m to the websites I visit in the ad revenue they earn.
It's mostly the principle to me... I use adblocker on everything, I've told people I know personally who make their money from website / YT ad dollars "yes, I block ads on your site. You need a more reliable source of income". I think very little of that section of the economy. If I can block your ads, I will. If you have that ad blocker blocker, I no longer use that site. Period. Advertisers are the devil (not to be too insulting to the actual devil, who is way better than people who work in / make money from advertising). My web clicks are not being clicked to make some schmuck money. Advertising basically should not exist, the world would be a much better place without it.
Awww, now the root of the issue.
There are many things we utilize today that wouldn't exist in the form we know today if not for being paid for by advertising. TV, probably radio, the internet at large.
Without advertising, it's pretty unlikely MangoLassi would exist or if it did - it's main job would be to push clients to NTG so they could earn income to pay to keep the website online.
Broadcast TV wouldn't exist without ads - no one pays for broadcast TV, at least not directly. But making TV shows and then having the broadcasting equipment, etc is anything but cheap... all paid for by ads.
What is it about advertising that makes you so against it?
for me, it's when ads become overwhelming - popups, overlays, autoplaying video... but an ad inserted into a page, meh, don't care. I can easily ignore them!Ads in our TV shows? Hell, that's why you used the bathroom, refilled the drinks, grabbed a snack. Sure if you didn't need any of those things, it was/is a bit more of a PITA.
So - Here's the kicker - How does your friend who has a YT channel get paid if not through ads? Are you willing to pay $0.01/min you watch? what about $0.10/min?
99% of people will say hell no I won't pay to watch YT, not when there are other options out there that let me watch for Free (and by free they mean - ad supported) and if specifically pressed, most will say they'd rather see an ad than pay for the access.
Now me personally - I'm putting my money where my mouth is - I pay Hulu $12.99/m for the no ads version - sadly, I still get an occasional ad, but it's on only like 2 of the shows I watch there, definitely not the majority. this kind of tells me that for general TV viewing - ads = $6/m of revenue per household (at least for Hulu).. that's really not that much.
I'm also reminded about Angry Birds - When it was originally released - it was released on the iPhone Ad Free for like $3. The makers of Angry Birds decided to give ads a try on Android, and made it free, but ad supported. I heard that the makers where making 10x the money on Android compared to Apple - now, what I don't know is how many people were on android vs how many on Apple... but still, considering they only made money when people were playing and ads were being shown.... it's seems pretty clear that they are making more money on ads than just a straight fee.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why does everyone hate Hulu so much?
It's the main network I watch these days (well, at least during normal fall/winter/spring TV season.
Summertime and breaks I'm watching re-runs on whatever network has the show I want.
because hulu is so damn expensive for no ads, live tv, etc. I paid 55 a month for hulu + live tv and no commercials for 2 months.
Netflix is cheaper than hulu (only down side, is no live tv.) with no commercials.
They serve two entirely different purposes/audiences.
Netflix does have a handful of original shows, but nothing from the normal channels - at least not until the season is over (at best), the rest of Netflix is old stuff... Nothing wrong with old stuff, it's just not what I go to Hulu for.
You mentioned Live TV - yep, I don't do that either - I can afford to wait one day, I just don't want to wait a year or more for current shows.
I pay $12.99/m for no commercials and get all the new shows the day after their air - I find this very tolerable.I mean, if I didn't care about currently airing shows, I'd dump Hulu altogether (unless they had some kickass original content I wanted to watch - which they currently don't), but I like watching the current seasons - it's how I choose to be.
So again - Netflix and Hulu aren't even on the same page when it come to what it's Non Live TV offerings offer.
i Didn't see that as an option to watch new tv shows the day after they air..
That's a thing?Hell yeah it is - it's how Hulu started. They only added Live TV like 1-2 years ago.
Hulu is NBC/ABC/Disney and their shows - all the day after.
When Hulu first launched it was free and ad supported - then it became paid AND ad supported...
then they when pay more/fewer ads as an option
Then later yet - added live TV as an option.Well I'll be damned ,
This is is why I'm considering ditching Netflix - there isn't much content there I care about. I can binge what I do care about, then cancel it (save for the fact that t-mobile pays for it, so why give up a service that's included in my t-mobile bill, that I can't make lower by not using it).
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@Dashrender advertising is a tool used to manipulate the idiotic masses and influence their spending and opinions, instead of people using thought and reason to decide what to buy or think. Regular folks are far too dumb to see through this. As far as the youtuber I know, I wouldn't call him a friend, and I sincerely don't care if he makes money or not. Having a youtube channel is not a real job (no matter how much time someone spends on it). When I need a drink or bathroom break, I press pause. If youtube started charging by the second or minute, it would promptly go into my PiHole blacklist. At the end of the day, all the TV, streaming, whatever content out there is just fluff anyway. Take it all away tomorrow, and I'd have a lot more time to dedicate to making music, or literally any other worthwhile pursuit. While it's nice to be able to turn something on after a long day when you don't want to brain anymore, it's certainly not a requirement.
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender advertising is a tool used to manipulate the idiotic masses and influence their spending and opinions, instead of people using thought and reason to decide what to buy or think. Regular folks are far too dumb to see through this.
All true - but why do you care?
But better yet - do you feel that the tail light video on YT had value?
What is YT was pay only? what if all TV was pay only?
What if the bar required you to pay $1/song by the live band playing - would you stop going there? I'm guessing you might - but what you don't know, you already do - you pay that through drinks or a cover fee or cost of food. Very few places anymore have truly free live music.
In the grand scheme of things, you and don't hurt the system much - the normals of the world continue to buy products, products that pay for ads to be shown... so the money is getting to those that need it, just through other means.
Again, I'm guessing you'd bail on ML if they blocked you ad blocker.. so you believe this site has so little value to you, that you're unwilling to allow their site to load an ad so they can make a few cents off your visit.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender advertising is a tool used to manipulate the idiotic masses and influence their spending and opinions, instead of people using thought and reason to decide what to buy or think. Regular folks are far too dumb to see through this.
All true - but why do you care?
But better yet - do you feel that the tail light video on YT had value?
What is YT was pay only? what if all TV was pay only?
What if the bar required you to pay $1/song by the live band playing - would you stop going there? I'm guessing you might - but what you don't know, you already do - you pay that through drinks or a cover fee or cost of food. Very few places anymore have truly free live music.
In the grand scheme of things, you and don't hurt the system much - the normals of the world continue to buy products, products that pay for ads to be shown... so the money is getting to those that need it, just through other means.
Again, I'm guessing you'd bail on ML if they blocked you ad blocker.. so you believe this site has so little value to you, that you're unwilling to allow their site to load an ad so they can make a few cents off your visit.
If bars charged customers $1 per song per person, my band might actually be able to cover the gas it cost us to get there. Bad example for someone like me. I pay to see bands I like, and I buy merch from them (the only real way to support a live band, only way they make money), and I generally avoid no cover / live music things because I don't like cover bands. It's all just a pipe dream that advertising will go away, but a guy can dream of a better world, can't he?
Taillight video on yt was just a random example. If it cost even a penny to watch, I would have just called the Subaru dealership (but I despise talking on the phone, so not my 1st choice). If all TV was pay only, I'd be pirating the shit out of anything I wanted to watch. I'd like to think by the time any of that happens, I'll be dead.
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anybody ever hear of Zoho assist??
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
anybody ever hear of Zoho assist??
Hear of them, yes. Use them, no.
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender advertising is a tool used to manipulate the idiotic masses and influence their spending and opinions, instead of people using thought and reason to decide what to buy or think. Regular folks are far too dumb to see through this.
All true - but why do you care?
But better yet - do you feel that the tail light video on YT had value?
What is YT was pay only? what if all TV was pay only?
What if the bar required you to pay $1/song by the live band playing - would you stop going there? I'm guessing you might - but what you don't know, you already do - you pay that through drinks or a cover fee or cost of food. Very few places anymore have truly free live music.
In the grand scheme of things, you and don't hurt the system much - the normals of the world continue to buy products, products that pay for ads to be shown... so the money is getting to those that need it, just through other means.
Again, I'm guessing you'd bail on ML if they blocked you ad blocker.. so you believe this site has so little value to you, that you're unwilling to allow their site to load an ad so they can make a few cents off your visit.
If bars charged customers $1 per song per person, my band might actually be able to cover the gas it cost us to get there. Bad example for someone like me. I pay to see bands I like, and I buy merch from them (the only real way to support a live band, only way they make money), and I generally avoid no cover / live music things because I don't like cover bands. It's all just a pipe dream that advertising will go away, but a guy can dream of a better world, can't he?
Taillight video on yt was just a random example. If it cost even a penny to watch, I would have just called the Subaru dealership (but I despise talking on the phone, so not my 1st choice). If all TV was pay only, I'd be pirating the shit out of anything I wanted to watch. I'd like to think by the time any of that happens, I'll be dead.
Wow - 1 penny, the video didn't give you even 1 penny worth of value - do you pay for training? Hell - what do you pay for? only physical goods you can get your hands on? So you're not really paying the band for their music - i.e. you wouldn't just toss money in a bucket because they were playing - you only support them if they have some good that you want to own.
I used to be that way too, I've definitely changed in recent years. I pay for LP because I like the product and want to see them stay open. I pay for Hulu because while I could easily private every TV show they have - it's not worth my time and hassle to do that manually versus paying $12.99.
Heck - I've been completely against paying CBS online (bastards aren't part of Hulu)... I bought a $150 network attached tuner and antenna to record CBS shows over the air, but I've been thinking - huh - maybe that's just dumb! perhaps I really should return this item and just pay CBS... Clearly I feel they have valuable content, otherwise why would I spend $150 on a tuner? Plus by paying CBS, I got a TON more content than just what's broadcast. At $5.99/m, that's 25 months, not counting the time value of money.
Oh, and my last tuner, only lasted two years, granted that lower than average, but it's all I have to go on at this point.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I pay Hulu $12.99/m for the no ads version - sadly, I still get an occasional ad, but it's on only like 2 of the shows I watch there, definitely not the majority.
That means it is not a no ads version by definition.....
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@Kelly said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
anybody ever hear of Zoho assist??
Hear of them, yes. Use them, no.
I just got a frantic call from a customer ; someone was connected into their site installing zoho Assist..
They were freaking out called me and thought they had someone unwanted in the system..
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I pay Hulu $12.99/m for the no ads version - sadly, I still get an occasional ad, but it's on only like 2 of the shows I watch there, definitely not the majority.
That means it is not a no ads version by definition.....
Hulu doesn't have an ad free version at all as far as I recall.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Kelly said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
anybody ever hear of Zoho assist??
Hear of them, yes. Use them, no.
I just got a frantic call from a customer ; someone was connected into their site installing zoho Assist..
They were freaking out called me and thought they had someone unwanted in the system..
I had never heard of it.Think of it like TeamViewer, it could be used maliciously.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Kelly said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
anybody ever hear of Zoho assist??
Hear of them, yes. Use them, no.
I just got a frantic call from a customer ; someone was connected into their site installing zoho Assist..
They were freaking out called me and thought they had someone unwanted in the system..
I had never heard of it.Think of it like TeamViewer, it could be used maliciously.
Yeah, its an RDS right?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I pay Hulu $12.99/m for the no ads version - sadly, I still get an occasional ad, but it's on only like 2 of the shows I watch there, definitely not the majority.
That means it is not a no ads version by definition.....
Hulu doesn't have an ad free version at all as far as I recall.
I know. That is why I don’t pay for their service.
I don’t pay to watch ads.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I pay Hulu $12.99/m for the no ads version - sadly, I still get an occasional ad, but it's on only like 2 of the shows I watch there, definitely not the majority.
That means it is not a no ads version by definition.....
Hulu doesn't have an ad free version at all as far as I recall.
I know. That is why I don’t pay for their service.
I don’t pay to watch ads.
Exactly..
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I pay Hulu $12.99/m for the no ads version - sadly, I still get an occasional ad, but it's on only like 2 of the shows I watch there, definitely not the majority.
That means it is not a no ads version by definition.....
Hulu doesn't have an ad free version at all as far as I recall.
I know. That is why I don’t pay for their service.
I don’t pay to watch ads.
Exactly..
Unlike @RojoLoco, I don’t mind ads on services in general. But I won’t pay for a service and then still be forced to deal with ads.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I pay Hulu $12.99/m for the no ads version - sadly, I still get an occasional ad, but it's on only like 2 of the shows I watch there, definitely not the majority.
That means it is not a no ads version by definition.....
Hulu doesn't have an ad free version at all as far as I recall.
I know. That is why I don’t pay for their service.
I don’t pay to watch ads.
Exactly..
Unlike @RojoLoco, I don’t mind ads on services in general. But I won’t pay for a service and then still be forced to deal with ads.
I'm the exact same, it's why I've never purchased Hulu. F that.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Kelly said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
anybody ever hear of Zoho assist??
Hear of them, yes. Use them, no.
I just got a frantic call from a customer ; someone was connected into their site installing zoho Assist..
They were freaking out called me and thought they had someone unwanted in the system..
I had never heard of it.Think of it like TeamViewer, it could be used maliciously.
Yeah, its an RDS right?
Technical support tool that uses an RDS tool.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Kelly said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
anybody ever hear of Zoho assist??
Hear of them, yes. Use them, no.
I just got a frantic call from a customer ; someone was connected into their site installing zoho Assist..
They were freaking out called me and thought they had someone unwanted in the system..
I had never heard of it.Think of it like TeamViewer, it could be used maliciously.
Yeah, its an RDS right?
No, I think you have a few terms confused.
- Zoho Assist is part of the support family like TeamViewer, ScreenConnect, and MeshCentral. It's a proxied connection focused on support needs, not remote working needs, and uses a server as the communications coordination point so remote access is "reach out" not "reach in". You don't open ports for this kind of product (at the client, at least.) These are "shared session".
- RDP is what you were thinking of. This is a direct connection technology used for remote workers, not remote assistance. It doesn't use a third party server, and does need ports opened. It is "reach in", not "reach out." It's focus is making remote workers productive, but is not very good for IT support needs. This is not "shared session."
- RDS is a specific server product from Microsoft. Nothing is "an" RDS except for RDS itself. It's not a type or category, it's a brand name. The "type of thing" that it is is a TS or Terminal Server. RDS is the most well known Terminal Server on the market (and it used to be called MS TS, but that was too confusing.) RDS uses RDP, but only .01% of RDP systems involve RDS. RDP is a protocol, RDS is a server product that leverages RDP. RDS is the technology that allows multiple remote users to directly connect to a single Windows computer at the same time and each get a dedicated desktop.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Kelly said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
anybody ever hear of Zoho assist??
Hear of them, yes. Use them, no.
I just got a frantic call from a customer ; someone was connected into their site installing zoho Assist..
They were freaking out called me and thought they had someone unwanted in the system..
I had never heard of it.Think of it like TeamViewer, it could be used maliciously.
Yeah, its an RDS right?
No, I think you have a few terms confused.
- Zoho Assist is part of the support family like TeamViewer, ScreenConnect, and MeshCentral. It's a proxied connection focused on support needs, not remote working needs, and uses a server as the communications coordination point so remote access is "reach out" not "reach in". You don't open ports for this kind of product (at the client, at least.) These are "shared session".
- RDP is what you were thinking of. This is a direct connection technology used for remote workers, not remote assistance. It doesn't use a third party server, and does need ports opened. It is "reach in", not "reach out." It's focus is making remote workers productive, but is not very good for IT support needs. This is not "shared session."
- RDS is a specific server product from Microsoft. Nothing is "an" RDS except for RDS itself. It's not a type or category, it's a brand name. The "type of thing" that it is is a TS or Terminal Server. RDS is the most well known Terminal Server on the market (and it used to be called MS TS, but that was too confusing.) RDS uses RDP, but only .01% of RDP systems involve RDS. RDP is a protocol, RDS is a server product that leverages RDP. RDS is the technology that allows multiple remote users to directly connect to a single Windows computer at the same time and each get a dedicated desktop.
You can set up TeamViewer to allow incoming LAN Connections.
