What Are You Doing Right Now
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
"real Server" = Server OS to my Micro Manager (boss)
So RedHat isn't a real OS, or Fedora, or OpenSuse or FreeBSD or any other OS? lol
This is completely outside the topic of conversation - I'm guessing to his boss - those things simply don't exist.
Sure, but to say something isn't real would be comparable to saying that Trains don't exist because airplanes do exist.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Just finished submitting my order to my bosses for Windows Server 2016 with 36 Cal Licenses( 20 terms, 15 tablets) for this site I'm installing called "Great Shots" in SF SD -
Apparently - and this is what pissed me off yesterday - We only us "Real Servers" (as my boss calls them) when we have a site of 10 terminal...
I started to say we should have been doing this since the beginning and was cut short by boss thinking he knows more than me...
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Any advice (other than leave the job - I've applied to a few places and plan on calling to follow up later today. ) on setting up this Server 2016?
I thought you got a new boss?
New GM of the branch, Yes.
My boss (in this respect) is the Department manager/Micro Managerso go over his head... Explain to him why your company is selling illegal setups by not selling Windows Server (assuming you even need it - which I'm assuming you actually do because likely that POS system you are selling is Windows only).
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@bnrstnr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Windows Server 2016
Why 2016? You'd want to get 2019 and if you really had a requirement, you'd install 2016.
This is what I was told to order by My micro manager
Good luck, you can't even buy CALs for Server 2016... Only the current version. (of course they are backwards compatible)
That's what I was getting at. . you can't purchase old, you get downgrade rights for sure, but they don't sell old stuff
This would be a fun opportunity for a "you know, I just can't seem to find a way to buy these Server 2016 CALs, what shall I do, sir micro manager?!"
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But my new GM (real Boss in the sense of my Manager thinks.. lol) said that it's my install and to do it my way, so .. here we are.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But my new GM (real Boss in the sense of my Manager thinks.. lol) said that it's my install and to do it my way, so .. here we are.
she wants to see what I can do.Then purchase 2019 and cals for it, if you want to downgrade (for whatever requirement) then you can do that. But setup Hyper-V on the hardware (assuming it has to look like Windows) with a GUI and then create a VM to run the site.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
"real Server" = Server OS to my Micro Manager (boss)
So RedHat isn't a real OS, or Fedora, or OpenSuse or FreeBSD or any other OS? lol
This is completely outside the topic of conversation - I'm guessing to his boss - those things simply don't exist.
Sure, but to say something isn't real would be comparable to saying that Trains don't exist because airplanes do exist.
That makes sense, but you have to remember I work with really Uneducated people -
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
"real Server" = Server OS to my Micro Manager (boss)
So RedHat isn't a real OS, or Fedora, or OpenSuse or FreeBSD or any other OS? lol
This is completely outside the topic of conversation - I'm guessing to his boss - those things simply don't exist.
Sure, but to say something isn't real would be comparable to saying that Trains don't exist because airplanes do exist.
What? Again, Linux based OSes would never even come up - So I'm not sure why you brought them up. The environment that Wr works is is purely Windows - so the boss is only looking at Windows, therefore a 'real' server would only be a Windows Server OS... Talking about a Linux OS serves no benefit at all here.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But my new GM (real Boss in the sense of my Manager thinks.. lol) said that it's my install and to do it my way, so .. here we are.
she wants to see what I can do.Then purchase 2019 and cals for it, if you want to downgrade (for whatever requirement) then you can do that. But setup Hyper-V on the hardware (assuming it has to look like Windows) with a GUI and then create a VM to run the site.
That part is out of my hands- Cause this is what I was told to order..
Hence why i was frustrated yesterday with the company.. like every other day. -
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Talking about a Linux OS serves no benefit at all here.
There are many benefits to using a Linux OS as the base for the Hypervisor. Fedora and KVM for example, or if @WrCombs really wanted XCP-ng on the metal with a Windows Guest and then an XO installation to back it all up.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But my new GM (real Boss in the sense of my Manager thinks.. lol) said that it's my install and to do it my way, so .. here we are.
she wants to see what I can do.Then purchase 2019 and cals for it, if you want to downgrade (for whatever requirement) then you can do that. But setup Hyper-V on the hardware (assuming it has to look like Windows) with a GUI and then create a VM to run the site.
Don't forget Dustin - these are restaurants... IF he sets up Hyper-V, he will likely have to do it from within a base Windows Server install so he has a console to work from.
It's unlikely that there will be an "admin" workstation for him to use to manage this server in the future.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
That part is out of my hands- Cause this is what I was told to order..
But your real boss told you to do what was needed. Which would be purchasing 2019 with CALs, even if you install 2016
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alright, i got 3 installs today, I'll try to catch up with you guys later.
Can we fork this later?
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But my new GM (real Boss in the sense of my Manager thinks.. lol) said that it's my install and to do it my way, so .. here we are.
she wants to see what I can do.Then purchase 2019 and cals for it, if you want to downgrade (for whatever requirement) then you can do that. But setup Hyper-V on the hardware (assuming it has to look like Windows) with a GUI and then create a VM to run the site.
That part is out of my hands- Cause this is what I was told to order..
Hence why i was frustrated yesterday with the company.. like every other day.You have conflicting orders it looks like - the GM told you to do it your way... your direct manager told you to do it his way... so which do you follow?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But my new GM (real Boss in the sense of my Manager thinks.. lol) said that it's my install and to do it my way, so .. here we are.
she wants to see what I can do.Then purchase 2019 and cals for it, if you want to downgrade (for whatever requirement) then you can do that. But setup Hyper-V on the hardware (assuming it has to look like Windows) with a GUI and then create a VM to run the site.
Don't forget Dustin - these are restaurants... IF he sets up Hyper-V, he will likely have to do it from within a base Windows Server install so he has a console to work from.
It's unlikely that there will be an "admin" workstation for him to use to manage this server in the future.
You can opt to choose a GUI when you install server 2019 hyper-v. . .
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Any advice (other than leave the job - I've applied to a few places and plan on calling to follow up later today. ) on setting up this Server 2016?
Is there something specific about which you have questions? Or just general 2016 setup questions?
It's old Windows guidance to use a server for 10+. Today we generally say 12+, but it's not a crazy number.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Apparently - and this is what pissed me off yesterday - We only us "Real Servers" (as my boss calls them) when we have a site of 10 terminal...
What is a "Real server" to your boss? A physical installation? If so, setup Hyper-V and then build your installation on it. It's a real server, configured how it should be configured.
"real Server" = Server OS to my Micro Manager (boss)
Oh, well that's legit. Aloha requires that OS. So while the term "real server" is wrong (it should be "real server OS"), his requiring it is correct. Legally it's required at any size for the application serving situation.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
"real Server" = Server OS to my Micro Manager (boss)
So RedHat isn't a real OS, or Fedora, or OpenSuse or FreeBSD or any other OS? lol
This is completely outside the topic of conversation - I'm guessing to his boss - those things simply don't exist.
Probably never heard of them.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Apparently - and this is what pissed me off yesterday - We only us "Real Servers" (as my boss calls them) when we have a site of 10 terminal...
What is a "Real server" to your boss? A physical installation? If so, setup Hyper-V and then build your installation on it. It's a real server, configured how it should be configured.
"real Server" = Server OS to my Micro Manager (boss)
Oh, well that's legit. Aloha requires that OS. So while the term "real server" is wrong (it should be "real server OS"), his requiring it is correct. Legally it's required at any size for the application serving situation.
Right, and we had this discussion before. Which is why @WrCombs pushed to get Server 2016 used.
This is the OS that will be interacted with.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
"real Server" = Server OS to my Micro Manager (boss)
So RedHat isn't a real OS, or Fedora, or OpenSuse or FreeBSD or any other OS? lol
This is completely outside the topic of conversation - I'm guessing to his boss - those things simply don't exist.
Sure, but to say something isn't real would be comparable to saying that Trains don't exist because airplanes do exist.
That makes sense, but you have to remember I work with really Uneducated people -
Linux is just myths to these people.You can always say "So wait, you say real server, then you say Windows... which did you mean?"
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But my new GM (real Boss in the sense of my Manager thinks.. lol) said that it's my install and to do it my way, so .. here we are.
she wants to see what I can do.Then purchase 2019 and cals for it, if you want to downgrade (for whatever requirement) then you can do that. But setup Hyper-V on the hardware (assuming it has to look like Windows) with a GUI and then create a VM to run the site.
Don't forget Dustin - these are restaurants... IF he sets up Hyper-V, he will likely have to do it from within a base Windows Server install so he has a console to work from.
It's unlikely that there will be an "admin" workstation for him to use to manage this server in the future.
KVM doesn't need a remote station. It will give an easy to use local interface if you want (and by most default installs.) It's not Windows, that's a different issue. but if it is "easy GUI for managing" then Linux wins here, by a lot.
