Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab
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@dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@jaredbusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
But you both at the kitchen table, you typing on ML, basically ignoring her - not in a mean way, but in the, I'm doing my own thing way, and her reading to herself or whatever... that's not family time, that's not hanging out.. at least not to me.
No more ignoring that if we were watching a show or eating food together. Same amount of interactivity.
Actually, we do more together this way. I watch HER play a game, not just watch the same thing that she is watching. And we discuss the game as she plays. We wouldn't do those things if eating or watching television.
So this is very much more interactive and more family time than the things most people consider family time.
you don't have family discussions while eating? you all just sit there in silence while eating? odd, at least to me.
You do not talk while eating in my house. I'll take your food away and you can go hungry.
LOL - are you meaning as in talking with your mouth full? or just talking about period?
Just talking period.
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@jaredbusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@jaredbusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
But you both at the kitchen table, you typing on ML, basically ignoring her - not in a mean way, but in the, I'm doing my own thing way, and her reading to herself or whatever... that's not family time, that's not hanging out.. at least not to me.
No more ignoring that if we were watching a show or eating food together. Same amount of interactivity.
Actually, we do more together this way. I watch HER play a game, not just watch the same thing that she is watching. And we discuss the game as she plays. We wouldn't do those things if eating or watching television.
So this is very much more interactive and more family time than the things most people consider family time.
you don't have family discussions while eating? you all just sit there in silence while eating? odd, at least to me.
You do not talk while eating in my house. I'll take your food away and you can go hungry.
LOL - are you meaning as in talking with your mouth full? or just talking about period?
Just talking period.
Me at dinner table at JB's house: So tell me, how are you?
JB: glare
Me: Anything fun happening today?
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@scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
What I'm taking away from this is that I don't really have much family time with my wife at all.
Most people don't, nothing wrong with that. I don't either. But not because we don't enjoy shared things, we actually do. But in our case it is because my wife is an extreme introvert and needs to be alone over 90% of the time to be happy and functional. That's something I've just had to learn to come to term with. She doesn't not want to hang out with me, she doesn't want anyone at all near her.
So the kids and I are together way more than my wife and I are together. My kids want to be in close proximity 90% of the time and alone 10%. My wife is the flip side. So now, for example, that my wife is done cooking breakfast, she is back hiding across the house alone, while me and the two kids are hanging out together.
Sounds like the flip from my house - though I don't want/need anywhere near 90% alone time.. 40%+ alonish time would be completely OK. But for her, if it's possible for me to be in the same room, she wants that. It's to the point that she will suffer something she doesn't like just to be in the same room, though there are a few things that will send her screaming.. the bird when she's being loud for example.
I'll stop by where my wife is and she'll be like "go away, I've seen you enough today."
lol women are so weird! my wife included
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@jmoore said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
What I'm taking away from this is that I don't really have much family time with my wife at all.
Most people don't, nothing wrong with that. I don't either. But not because we don't enjoy shared things, we actually do. But in our case it is because my wife is an extreme introvert and needs to be alone over 90% of the time to be happy and functional. That's something I've just had to learn to come to term with. She doesn't not want to hang out with me, she doesn't want anyone at all near her.
So the kids and I are together way more than my wife and I are together. My kids want to be in close proximity 90% of the time and alone 10%. My wife is the flip side. So now, for example, that my wife is done cooking breakfast, she is back hiding across the house alone, while me and the two kids are hanging out together.
Sounds like the flip from my house - though I don't want/need anywhere near 90% alone time.. 40%+ alonish time would be completely OK. But for her, if it's possible for me to be in the same room, she wants that. It's to the point that she will suffer something she doesn't like just to be in the same room, though there are a few things that will send her screaming.. the bird when she's being loud for example.
I'll stop by where my wife is and she'll be like "go away, I've seen you enough today."
lol women are so weird! my wife included
It's true.
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@dafyre said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@jmoore said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@jmoore said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
What I'm taking away from this is that I don't really have much family time with my wife at all.
Most people don't, nothing wrong with that. I don't either. But not because we don't enjoy shared things, we actually do. But in our case it is because my wife is an extreme introvert and needs to be alone over 90% of the time to be happy and functional. That's something I've just had to learn to come to term with. She doesn't not want to hang out with me, she doesn't want anyone at all near her.
So the kids and I are together way more than my wife and I are together. My kids want to be in close proximity 90% of the time and alone 10%. My wife is the flip side. So now, for example, that my wife is done cooking breakfast, she is back hiding across the house alone, while me and the two kids are hanging out together.
That is exactly how my home life is too. My wife doesn't like doing anything with me or the kids either. We used to do the same things but hardly do anymore. She does but I can tell she isn't happy being around someone all the time. She calls herself an extreme introvert. I really wonder how we got married sometimes. I think she has got worse over the years though, she wasn't so bad when we first met. She did have cancer though so i am sure that affects her still too so I can't be hard on her because of that. I am still trying to adjust to her personality change myself and it hasn't been easy. She would rather be by herself and she regularly says she hates her life and family. She will then backtrack so i don;t think she means it. Its just the way she is. The only friends she has are people that are as miserable as she is.
So yeah my office is covered in toy trucks, cars, flying dragons and books because the two boys spend a lot of time in there with me at nights after work. I love spending time with them. We play games, talk, takes naps together and wrestle so the 2 year old can jump on me and win. He loves that. He hold onto my neck while laughing and playing.
My wife loves her life... as long as we leave her to herself most of the time.
But given that scenario, one of the good things is that we are all home together all of the time. So when she wants to be around us, we are there. So we get the maximum potential time together. She really hates if I go to an office or travel, as she does want to see me every day, just not nearly as much time as I want to see her.
Yeah I used to go out a lot more at night and work or just find things to do but she hated that too. So I was confused. Finally I figured out that she wanted me somewhat near to help her but not to interact with. She's just weird like that
I think that that is common for introverts. They need to be isolated in some ways, but it isn't that they don't want you there.
They have a larger bubble of personal space.
My wife has become an extreme introvert. She wants people in the room with her, but not close. I fluctuate heavily in either direction. When I'm alone, I want to stay that way. When I'm around people, I want to hang out with them for a while.
thats a good way to put it
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Okay so I finally read the 592 posts so I am not going to try to provide an answer or be an expert on this. I am always learning something, I have multiple electronic devices at home from Ubiquiti, Sonicwall, Dell Servers, Phones, and others that I test all the time. I am constantly learning new things online. That being said, I have 3 kids soon 4 and my wife that require my attention. I have a full time job in IT for a healthcare practice which takes a toll on you when you are the only IT Personnel in the office. My hours vary through the week spending up to 60 hours at work which gives you small window with family which I maximize as much as I can. My wife does have a problem with me being on a computer after a full day at work if I don't tell her the reason why I am using a computer, if I communicate there is no problem and mostly is good when there are no other activities and the purpose is right. I went to a private school all my life in the DR while my wife was home schooled which helps us since we both know the pros and cons of each one. The most important part is the social and work aspect from both because school is not the real world, and that is something both of us we are trying to instill on our children.
When I used to be at a MSP I was able to work Landscaping, IT and Family was also present. The hours changed when we went from 4 IT personnel to 2 IT Personnel and I went full time IT Manager and then grew up the team to 6 and then decided to leave because my hours had not changed actually they had increased and I had been able to teach my staff to learn and practice. If I didn't do that the company and them would not have been able to continue, that's why I like to teach others.
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@dbeato said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Okay so I finally read the 592 posts ...
You actually read it all?
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@scottalanmiller Yes, I actually did. I needed context.
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Another aspect of home labs, that I think that people often overlook, is that when you do work "at the office" it is almost always constrained by someone. Rarely do we, even if we are the head of IT, get carte blanche to do the best things for the company. At home, we can follow all best practices and learn not just "how things often get done" but "how things should be done." It can be a very different way of learning.
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@dbeato said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@scottalanmiller Yes, I actually did. I needed context.
It's a lot of context.
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@scottalanmiller Yes, it is correct. At work is so hard to implement all you would like to do.
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@dbeato said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@scottalanmiller Yes, I actually did. I needed context.
I did too but at times I was about to give up because they were posting faster than I could keep up
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@dbeato said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@scottalanmiller Yes, it is correct. At work is so hard to implement all you would like to do.
Not just what you would like to do, that's more about learning things to change the direction of your career. But how you should do, without artificial contrainsts that don't carry on from one job to another.
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@scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Another aspect of home labs, that I think that people often overlook, is that when you do work "at the office" it is almost always constrained by someone. Rarely do we, even if we are the head of IT, get carte blanche to do the best things for the company. At home, we can follow all best practices and learn not just "how things often get done" but "how things should be done." It can be a very different way of learning.
Yes your right, there are many constraints here that keep me from doing the things I would do at home.
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@jmoore said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dbeato said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@scottalanmiller Yes, I actually did. I needed context.
I did too but at times I was about to give up because they were posting faster than I could keep up
I had no hope.
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Its hard to test "what would happen if" if you don't have a lab. It doesn't have to be an exact replica, but if you have some "application" servers (plex/kodi, freepbx, nextcloud, or whatnot), and you make a simple change in networking or in infrastructure, then you should be able to see what happens and how that affects your environment. How to setup backups. What happens if I VLAN this off? What would happen if I put that in my DMZ? Etc.
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@nerdydad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Its hard to test "what would happen if" if you don't have a lab. It doesn't have to be an exact replica, but if you have some "application" servers (plex/kodi, freepbx, nextcloud, or whatnot), and you make a simple change in networking or in infrastructure, then you should be able to see what happens and how that affects your environment. How to setup backups. What happens if I VLAN this off? What would happen if I put that in my DMZ? Etc.
You could, one would hope, have a lab at work as well.
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@reid-cooper said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@nerdydad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Its hard to test "what would happen if" if you don't have a lab. It doesn't have to be an exact replica, but if you have some "application" servers (plex/kodi, freepbx, nextcloud, or whatnot), and you make a simple change in networking or in infrastructure, then you should be able to see what happens and how that affects your environment. How to setup backups. What happens if I VLAN this off? What would happen if I put that in my DMZ? Etc.
You could, one would hope, have a lab at work as well.
If your IT manager has the budget and the willingness to, then absolutely. Often times, that is not the case, unless you are a software development company where QA is absolutely necessary.
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@nerdydad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@reid-cooper said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@nerdydad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Its hard to test "what would happen if" if you don't have a lab. It doesn't have to be an exact replica, but if you have some "application" servers (plex/kodi, freepbx, nextcloud, or whatnot), and you make a simple change in networking or in infrastructure, then you should be able to see what happens and how that affects your environment. How to setup backups. What happens if I VLAN this off? What would happen if I put that in my DMZ? Etc.
You could, one would hope, have a lab at work as well.
If your IT manager has the budget and the willingness to, then absolutely. Often times, that is not the case, unless you are a software development company where QA is absolutely necessary.
One could argue that QA is always absolutely necessary.
QA isn't a lab, though, it's QA.
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@nerdydad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Its hard to test "what would happen if" if you don't have a lab. It doesn't have to be an exact replica, but if you have some "application" servers (plex/kodi, freepbx, nextcloud, or whatnot), and you make a simple change in networking or in infrastructure, then you should be able to see what happens and how that affects your environment. How to setup backups. What happens if I VLAN this off? What would happen if I put that in my DMZ? Etc.
yeah we should have tested all of our network applications before we moved to win 10 but we did not. The management decided to move us there and new computers for around 400 staff so we have had some hiccups. Applications and other things have reacted differently than expected. Then one of management left and I am now picking up some of that workload. Its been enlightening.
