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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @JaredBusch
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      @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

      @Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:

      @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

      *We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
      There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.

      Wow, seems like a tough gig.

      From your perspective maybe. But I take off when I want. I work when I want. For 2019 I put in 40/week most weeks.

      You might have missed where the rate accounts for the time.
      I worked 1983.5 hours in 2019. That is 96.5 less hours than 40 hours a week. Basically, I took 12 days completely off.

      In reality, I took off more than that, and worked more than 8 hours a day often.

      Fuck your old school 8-5 bullshit concepts of a job.

      If you have the self-discipline, this can be awesome - you could work 4 10's and have three day weekends, or better. The issue is when you want a continuous 7+ days off in a row - Does the company have other people to take over while you're gone?

      What are the chances of a real 2 week (or even three week vacation)? Perhaps these are a reality to you - They have been for me.

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      • JaredBuschJ
        JaredBusch @Dashrender
        last edited by

        @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

        @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

        @Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:

        @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

        *We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
        There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.

        Wow, seems like a tough gig.

        From your perspective maybe. But I take off when I want. I work when I want. For 2019 I put in 40/week most weeks.

        You might have missed where the rate accounts for the time.
        I worked 1983.5 hours in 2019. That is 96.5 less hours than 40 hours a week. Basically, I took 12 days completely off.

        In reality, I took off more than that, and worked more than 8 hours a day often.

        Fuck your old school 8-5 bullshit concepts of a job.

        If you have the self-discipline, this can be awesome - you could work 4 10's and have three day weekends, or better. The issue is when you want a continuous 7+ days off in a row - Does the company have other people to take over while you're gone?

        What are the chances of a real 2 week (or even three week vacation)? Perhaps these are a reality to you - They have been for me.

        Well at the moment, the possibility it near zero, but only because I need this person.

        Financially, that onus is on me. When I was hired, I negotiated an hourly rate to account for ~80 hours of "vacation". If I don't have the financial ability to handle it, that is my own problem. I had the option to negotiate a typical "vacation" allotment and take a lower hourly rate. Math people. It is not that hard of a thing.

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        • JaredBuschJ
          JaredBusch
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          The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.

          That doesn't mean I can't get work done.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @JaredBusch
            last edited by

            @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

            The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.

            That doesn't mean I can't get work done.

            The inability to visit St Louis makes being gone that long (or super expensive) a problem 😛

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
              last edited by

              @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

              @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

              The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.

              That doesn't mean I can't get work done.

              The inability to visit St Louis makes being gone that long (or super expensive) a problem 😛

              Don't have to visit St Louis when you are on vacation.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                last edited by

                @scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:

                @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

                @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.

                That doesn't mean I can't get work done.

                The inability to visit St Louis makes being gone that long (or super expensive) a problem 😛

                Don't have to visit St Louis when you are on vacation.

                @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

                What are the chances of a real 2 week (or even three week vacation)? Perhaps these are a reality to you - They have been for me.

                Well at the moment, the possibility it near zero, but only because I need this person.

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                • JaredBuschJ
                  JaredBusch @Dashrender
                  last edited by

                  @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:

                  @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

                  @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                  The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.

                  That doesn't mean I can't get work done.

                  The inability to visit St Louis makes being gone that long (or super expensive) a problem 😛

                  Don't have to visit St Louis when you are on vacation.

                  @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                  @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

                  What are the chances of a real 2 week (or even three week vacation)? Perhaps these are a reality to you - They have been for me.

                  Well at the moment, the possibility it near zero, but only because I need this person.

                  I can still take time off. three weeks in Japan only means a single week missed in an every other week schedule when planned correctly.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @JaredBusch
                    last edited by

                    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                    @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:

                    @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

                    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                    The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.

                    That doesn't mean I can't get work done.

                    The inability to visit St Louis makes being gone that long (or super expensive) a problem 😛

                    Don't have to visit St Louis when you are on vacation.

                    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                    @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

                    What are the chances of a real 2 week (or even three week vacation)? Perhaps these are a reality to you - They have been for me.

                    Well at the moment, the possibility it near zero, but only because I need this person.

                    I can still take time off. three weeks in Japan only means a single week missed in an every other week schedule when planned correctly.

                    True - which would actually allow for a person to travel for 4 weeks, assuming that someone else took over that week - and the person could in fact not miss any actual work while "on vacation" if it was a working vacation (assuming sufficient downtime to do work)

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                    • ObsolesceO
                      Obsolesce @JaredBusch
                      last edited by

                      @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                      That doesn't mean I can't get work done.

                      Working on vacation is totally an American concept.

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch @Obsolesce
                        last edited by JaredBusch

                        @Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:

                        @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                        That doesn't mean I can't get work done.

                        Working on vacation is totally an American concept.

                        Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.

                        But your point is valid. I can, and do, take time off and not work.

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                        • ObsolesceO
                          Obsolesce @JaredBusch
                          last edited by

                          @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                          @Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:

                          @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                          That doesn't mean I can't get work done.

                          Working on vacation is totally an American concept.

                          Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.

                          Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @Obsolesce
                            last edited by

                            @Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:

                            @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                            @Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:

                            @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                            That doesn't mean I can't get work done.

                            Working on vacation is totally an American concept.

                            Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.

                            Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.

                            That's the benefit to this type of workstyle. The "need" for a true vacation is so much less. Because I already do pretty much what I want.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                              last edited by

                              @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                              @Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:

                              @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                              @Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:

                              @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                              That doesn't mean I can't get work done.

                              Working on vacation is totally an American concept.

                              Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.

                              Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.

                              That's the benefit to this type of workstyle. The "need" for a true vacation is so much less. Because I already do pretty much what I want.

                              Yeah, we talk about that at NTG a lot.... the "work as a lifestyle" type work. A career and job and company that let's your work and your life integrate. The idea of a vacation starts to not mean much. Vacations are conceptually for people who want to escape work and life. But we approach it as... you shouldn't want to escape your job. We try to make working here something people enjoy, not just "good enough for the paycheck."

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                                JasGot @Dashrender
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                                @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

                                has it through the other spouse?

                                How many spouses can you have where you live? 🙂

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @JasGot
                                  last edited by

                                  @JasGot said in Writing a Job Posting:

                                  @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

                                  has it through the other spouse?

                                  How many spouses can you have where you live? 🙂

                                  Touche!

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                                  • jmooreJ
                                    jmoore @JaredBusch
                                    last edited by

                                    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                                    @Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                                    *We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
                                    There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.

                                    Wow, seems like a tough gig.

                                    From your perspective maybe. But I take off when I want. I work when I want. For 2019 I put in 40/week most weeks.

                                    You might have missed where the rate accounts for the time.
                                    I worked 1983.5 hours in 2019. That is 96.5 less hours than 40 hours a week. Basically, I took 12 days completely off.

                                    In reality, I took off more than that, and worked more than 8 hours a day often.

                                    Fuck your old school 8-5 bullshit concepts of a job.

                                    Hey i think that makes a lot of sense and who doesn't love flexibility! If I loved anywhere close I would do it. Being remote and being able to choose vacation time when you need it mean a lot when your kid surprises you with an event they should have told you about.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @WrCombs
                                      last edited by

                                      @WrCombs said in Writing a Job Posting:

                                      @JaredBusch Same job you were talking to me about?

                                      Of all the job postings I've seen the place where they lose interest is preferred qualifications, and I'd suggest keeping the pay off the job posting.. You'll end up getting joe blow interested because of the money factor and not someone who is actually going to help you with what you're looking for, knowing you would never hire them, but they'd waste your time in an interview.

                                      That's going to happen anyway. But rates make people understand expectation.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @jmoore
                                        last edited by

                                        @jmoore said in Writing a Job Posting:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                                        @Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

                                        *We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
                                        There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.

                                        Wow, seems like a tough gig.

                                        From your perspective maybe. But I take off when I want. I work when I want. For 2019 I put in 40/week most weeks.

                                        You might have missed where the rate accounts for the time.
                                        I worked 1983.5 hours in 2019. That is 96.5 less hours than 40 hours a week. Basically, I took 12 days completely off.

                                        In reality, I took off more than that, and worked more than 8 hours a day often.

                                        Fuck your old school 8-5 bullshit concepts of a job.

                                        Hey i think that makes a lot of sense and who doesn't love flexibility! If I loved anywhere close I would do it. Being remote and being able to choose vacation time when you need it mean a lot when your kid surprises you with an event they should have told you about.

                                        Or just any amount of "life happens" stuff.

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                                        • jmooreJ
                                          jmoore
                                          last edited by

                                          And for reference i have never taken a week vacation before. I can but never have. I think about it sometimes but then think about all the time I would spend at home playing video games drinking soda and beer that would ruin my weight lol. Plus, you don't learn anything if your not working. I really wish I lived closer because I would try it and I'm looking for a change anyway.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @jmoore
                                            last edited by

                                            @jmoore said in Writing a Job Posting:

                                            And for reference i have never taken a week vacation before. I can but never have. I think about it sometimes but then think about all the time I would spend at home playing video games drinking soda and beer that would ruin my weight lol. Plus, you don't learn anything if your not working. I really wish I lived closer because I would try it and I'm looking for a change anyway.

                                            I did about 20 years without a vacation beyond a trip on an extended weekend. Did a lot for my career. But ultimately, you need vacations. From where you are, plan a week getaway to Mexico or Costa Rico or Panama. Take the fam, get out and do something exotic. The break is worth it from time to time.

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