Not Using Huawei
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@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Ok but we can agree that communism is bad right?
Is communism bad? Yes. But very bad? No. Is there any communist country to really point to as an example?
Venezuela, Soviet Union, Vietnam, North Korea, and yeah China.
Right, all not communist. Hence my point. All dictators not practicing communism.
All have some communist points, but I covered all this in what I wrote... that specifically these weren't communist, but use it as something that they say to cover up what they actually are... dictators or oligarchies. Very, very different from communism.
State control of the economy, check.
No private property, check.
Distribution of wealth, check.
Well and these dictators have a board of officials, but um...still man, they're communist. At least mostly communist lol. -
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Venezuela
They are, for example, a federal presidential republic. The same as the US.
Not anymore, they elected a socialist. That socialist and officials took over the economy, distribute wealth, have taken over businesses and or direct control.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Venezuela
They are, for example, a federal presidential republic. The same as the US.
Not anymore, they elected a socialist. That socialist and officials took over the economy, distribute wealth, have taken over businesses and or direct control.
They're now communist.Socialism and communism are extremely different things. And they didn't take over the economy. They screwed it up, but didn't take it over. Companies are still private. All, no, but that's the same in the US. Wealth is always distributed, that's called taxes. US has that too.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
No private property, check.
They all have that. Where do you think people don't have private property? You are correct that early Communism ideals called for an end to it, but no country practices that, not even close. These are all countries where you or I could go buy property today, and have very good protections around it similar to what we have in the US. Eminent domain exists everywhere, but that isn't quite the same.
China is highly capitalistic with private ownership of businesses, property, real estate, etc. with more freedom to invest than almost anywhere in the world, and certainly moreso than anywhere in the west. It's often the lack of control that causes many of their issues.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
At least mostly communist lol.
This is the tough part. SOme places, like Laos and Cuba, are "more communist" and others less. Wikipedia says there are only four countries left with any real claims to communism today, two of them tiny, two larger. But even Vietnam, we have people here who have private property there and it's not communist at all in teh way that you are thinking it would be. Relatively free society, total rights to property, government oversees,but does not run the economy, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Venezuela
They are, for example, a federal presidential republic. The same as the US.
Not anymore, they elected a socialist. That socialist and officials took over the economy, distribute wealth, have taken over businesses and or direct control.
They're now communist.Socialism and communism are extremely different things. And they didn't take over the economy. They screwed it up, but didn't take it over. Companies are still private. All, no, but that's the same in the US. Wealth is always distributed, that's called taxes. US has that too.
*sigh...When you start controlling companies by force, rigging elections, distributing wealth (no...not taxes), again no private property (government has been known to take peoples property on a whim), you're government is then practicing communist.
Marxism, socialism, communism, they're all essentially the same. "Guaranteed jobs! Free everything! Communal (insert community shared crap here)" -
Communism, because of its nature, is one of those things that if something isn't completely communist, it's not really communist at all. Similar to freedom. You can't be "almost free", you either are, or you are not. Like you can't have a free society... except no freedom of speech. Without that, there is no means to be free. Communism, or freedom, you kind of have to go all in for it to be that thing. A totally unfree society, allowing a single freedom like the press, doesn't become "essentially free", it's just one aspect of freedom being allowed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
At least mostly communist lol.
But even Vietnam
Actually I don't know anything about Vietnam, aside from the war.
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What happen to the discussion about building out a new computer or refurbished computers?
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@black3dynamite said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
What happen to the discussion about building out a new computer or refurbished computers?
Nervously looks around UH uh, he started it!
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@black3dynamite said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
What happen to the discussion about building out a new computer or refurbished computers?
It picked up and idiot that cannot understand plain english definitions and already had a single minded know it all that refuses to fork threads.
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@JaredBusch said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@black3dynamite said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
What happen to the discussion about building out a new computer or refurbished computers?
It picked up and idiot that cannot understand plain english definitions and already had a single minded know it all that refuses to fork threads.
Speaking of idiot. haaaaahaaaaaaaaa.....haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......
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@scottalanmiller said in Not Using Huawei:
Pretty weird if there was an actual back door found, that it was deemed so unimportant that no news outlet has picked it up yet.
FFS - LENOVO!?! Nobody did any proper reporting on them since Superfish. No news does not equal no breach.
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I have news for you. Everyone's spying on you. Chinese companies/government , US companies/government , Russian government/companies, and any one else.
Why? Because it's extremely valuable. Data is the new oil. It's easy to deflect attention when you point at the other guy everytime he gets caught. It's a strategy used to make all sides feel like their right and it works. Fact is they've all been caught Alot!
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Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company. I've heard that they pirate GitLab Enterprise edition
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@flaxking said in Not Using Huawei:
Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company. I've heard that they pirate GitLab Enterprise edition
So now we're judging a company based on how it's name sounds? IBM could be extremely "weird" sounding to the French - so what - they shouldn't buy anything from IBM because the name sounds weird/sketcky?
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@Dashrender said in Not Using Huawei:
@flaxking said in Not Using Huawei:
Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company. I've heard that they pirate GitLab Enterprise edition
So now we're judging a company based on how it's name sounds? IBM could be extremely "weird" sounding to the French - so what - they shouldn't buy anything from IBM because the name sounds weird/sketcky?
Ummm, that is not wht he said.
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@JaredBusch said in Not Using Huawei:
@Dashrender said in Not Using Huawei:
@flaxking said in Not Using Huawei:
Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company. I've heard that they pirate GitLab Enterprise edition
So now we're judging a company based on how it's name sounds? IBM could be extremely "weird" sounding to the French - so what - they shouldn't buy anything from IBM because the name sounds weird/sketcky?
Ummm, that is not wht he said.
OK I ran with it a bit - but he did say "Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company." but didn't expand on what exactly he meant - be it the actual sound of their name, or things the company has been accused of.
If he was going for the accusing aspect - Scott has shot almost everything there down as FUD.
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@Dashrender said in Not Using Huawei:
@JaredBusch said in Not Using Huawei:
@Dashrender said in Not Using Huawei:
@flaxking said in Not Using Huawei:
Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company. I've heard that they pirate GitLab Enterprise edition
So now we're judging a company based on how it's name sounds? IBM could be extremely "weird" sounding to the French - so what - they shouldn't buy anything from IBM because the name sounds weird/sketcky?
Ummm, that is not wht he said.
OK I ran with it a bit - but he did say "Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company." but didn't expand on what exactly he meant - be it the actual sound of their name, or things the company has been accused of.
If he was going for the accusing aspect - Scott has shot almost everything there down as FUD.
What I'm saying is that a company that pirates software and then tried to get official support for that software by promising/negotiating to pay for it sounds like a sketchy company.
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@flaxking said in Not Using Huawei:
Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company. I've heard that they pirate GitLab Enterprise edition
"I heard that they...." seems to be the commonality in people having issues with them. I did a search on this and found nothing. Might they do it? Sure, but you know what, nearly every American company pirates some software, too. Seriously, it's everywhere. I've "heard" that essentially everyone pirates. And while I don't agree with software piracy, there are a three key factors here...
- Huawei is being treated differently than other companies that we know do the thing in question.
- Huawei is in a jurisdiction where there is no piracy so this claim can't be factual.
- It's heresay with, so far, not even a hint of substance behind it.
And the fourth... Huawei is a staggeringly large company for whom licensing GitLab Enterprise would likely be a line item so trivial that no one would even be aware of it. If they are actually doing this, likely it is one rogue engineer doing it because no one authorized him to buy what he wanted and no one is aware of it.
