Not Using Huawei
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Ok but we can agree that communism is bad right?
This gets sticky, as China isn't actually communist at all. They use the term, but are actually a single party dictatorship. Communism the political concept, and countries that use the term, generally don't overlap. Communism has good and bad concepts. It's biggest problems, of real communism, are a lack of efficiency and an inability to encourage investment and growth. Most people use communism to refer to places like China, which are actually capitalist (moreso than the US, in fact) quite far from communism, but use the term a lot. It's one of those "he doth protest too much" things. Countries tend to call themselves communist to divert attention from what they really are. Real communism has problems, but none of the ones we are concerned about in China. Problems of planned economies, cracking down on dissidents, lacking democracy.... those are unrelated problems, but ones that historically America has branded as communism for Cold War reasons.
Is communism bad? Yes. But very bad? No. Is there any communist country to really point to as an example? Absolutely not. There is no government practicing communism on any scale that would show it to be good or bad or indifferent. Some communist concepts exists in them, but some exist in the US, too.
It's also important to note... communism is in no way an alternative to democracy. Imagine any country voting for communism - instantly you have both. In fact, accepting communism is a problem of democracies. Democracies don't protect against communism and other "poor" resulting government forms, so it's actually a good example of why democracies are bad. Because all democracies, given time, will vote out freedom and once voted out, there's no vote to get it back.
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Freedom, like the Brexit, is a "ratchet vote", given enough times voting for a one way decision, it's a guaranteed outcome. You just can't guarantee how long it will take.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Ok but we can agree that communism is bad right?
Is communism bad? Yes. But very bad? No. Is there any communist country to really point to as an example?
Venezuela, Soviet Union, Vietnam, North Korea, and yeah China.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Ok but we can agree that communism is bad right?
Is communism bad? Yes. But very bad? No. Is there any communist country to really point to as an example?
Venezuela, Soviet Union, Vietnam, North Korea, and yeah China.
Right, all not communist. Hence my point. All dictators not practicing communism.
All have some communist points, but I covered all this in what I wrote... that specifically these weren't communist, but use it as something that they say to cover up what they actually are... dictators or oligarchies. Very, very different from communism.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Venezuela
They are, for example, a federal presidential republic. The same as the US.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Ok but we can agree that communism is bad right?
Is communism bad? Yes. But very bad? No. Is there any communist country to really point to as an example?
Venezuela, Soviet Union, Vietnam, North Korea, and yeah China.
Right, all not communist. Hence my point. All dictators not practicing communism.
All have some communist points, but I covered all this in what I wrote... that specifically these weren't communist, but use it as something that they say to cover up what they actually are... dictators or oligarchies. Very, very different from communism.
State control of the economy, check.
No private property, check.
Distribution of wealth, check.
Well and these dictators have a board of officials, but um...still man, they're communist. At least mostly communist lol. -
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Venezuela
They are, for example, a federal presidential republic. The same as the US.
Not anymore, they elected a socialist. That socialist and officials took over the economy, distribute wealth, have taken over businesses and or direct control.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Venezuela
They are, for example, a federal presidential republic. The same as the US.
Not anymore, they elected a socialist. That socialist and officials took over the economy, distribute wealth, have taken over businesses and or direct control.
They're now communist.Socialism and communism are extremely different things. And they didn't take over the economy. They screwed it up, but didn't take it over. Companies are still private. All, no, but that's the same in the US. Wealth is always distributed, that's called taxes. US has that too.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
No private property, check.
They all have that. Where do you think people don't have private property? You are correct that early Communism ideals called for an end to it, but no country practices that, not even close. These are all countries where you or I could go buy property today, and have very good protections around it similar to what we have in the US. Eminent domain exists everywhere, but that isn't quite the same.
China is highly capitalistic with private ownership of businesses, property, real estate, etc. with more freedom to invest than almost anywhere in the world, and certainly moreso than anywhere in the west. It's often the lack of control that causes many of their issues.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
At least mostly communist lol.
This is the tough part. SOme places, like Laos and Cuba, are "more communist" and others less. Wikipedia says there are only four countries left with any real claims to communism today, two of them tiny, two larger. But even Vietnam, we have people here who have private property there and it's not communist at all in teh way that you are thinking it would be. Relatively free society, total rights to property, government oversees,but does not run the economy, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Venezuela
They are, for example, a federal presidential republic. The same as the US.
Not anymore, they elected a socialist. That socialist and officials took over the economy, distribute wealth, have taken over businesses and or direct control.
They're now communist.Socialism and communism are extremely different things. And they didn't take over the economy. They screwed it up, but didn't take it over. Companies are still private. All, no, but that's the same in the US. Wealth is always distributed, that's called taxes. US has that too.
*sigh...When you start controlling companies by force, rigging elections, distributing wealth (no...not taxes), again no private property (government has been known to take peoples property on a whim), you're government is then practicing communist.
Marxism, socialism, communism, they're all essentially the same. "Guaranteed jobs! Free everything! Communal (insert community shared crap here)" -
Communism, because of its nature, is one of those things that if something isn't completely communist, it's not really communist at all. Similar to freedom. You can't be "almost free", you either are, or you are not. Like you can't have a free society... except no freedom of speech. Without that, there is no means to be free. Communism, or freedom, you kind of have to go all in for it to be that thing. A totally unfree society, allowing a single freedom like the press, doesn't become "essentially free", it's just one aspect of freedom being allowed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
At least mostly communist lol.
But even Vietnam
Actually I don't know anything about Vietnam, aside from the war.
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What happen to the discussion about building out a new computer or refurbished computers?
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@black3dynamite said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
What happen to the discussion about building out a new computer or refurbished computers?
Nervously looks around UH uh, he started it!
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@black3dynamite said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
What happen to the discussion about building out a new computer or refurbished computers?
It picked up and idiot that cannot understand plain english definitions and already had a single minded know it all that refuses to fork threads.
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@JaredBusch said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@black3dynamite said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
What happen to the discussion about building out a new computer or refurbished computers?
It picked up and idiot that cannot understand plain english definitions and already had a single minded know it all that refuses to fork threads.
Speaking of idiot. haaaaahaaaaaaaaa.....haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......
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@scottalanmiller said in Not Using Huawei:
Pretty weird if there was an actual back door found, that it was deemed so unimportant that no news outlet has picked it up yet.
FFS - LENOVO!?! Nobody did any proper reporting on them since Superfish. No news does not equal no breach.
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I have news for you. Everyone's spying on you. Chinese companies/government , US companies/government , Russian government/companies, and any one else.
Why? Because it's extremely valuable. Data is the new oil. It's easy to deflect attention when you point at the other guy everytime he gets caught. It's a strategy used to make all sides feel like their right and it works. Fact is they've all been caught Alot!
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Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company. I've heard that they pirate GitLab Enterprise edition
