IT reporting website for every day users
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@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@JaredBusch said in IT reporting website for every day users:
Also still a wiki. Just a publicly editable one.
which is also stupid.
Well he didn't take the suggestion. I said wiki and he said that's not really what he wants.
Again, because he's an idiot. He WANTS it to be hard? He literally wants it to be hard, frustrating, and broken.
Now the question is... how do you approach a situation where the boss is clearly sabotaging a fake project. What's his actual goal, why is he trying to make you fail?
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@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
Oh I see what you think. I didn't mean anyone as in, all users everywhere will be editing. I just mean it can be given and taken away from anyone. My bad. I should've said that differently. Managers will be editing it
Then you are back to a wiki. I think you have to say to him "anything you describe that works, has to be a wiki." A wiki is the only viable answer here. Put your foot down, its' not a suggestion, it's the answer. The only answer.
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@Dashrender said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@JaredBusch said in IT reporting website for every day users:
Also still a wiki. Just a publicly editable one.
which is also stupid.
Well he didn't take the suggestion. I said wiki and he said that's not really what he wants.
How about a Wiki with a REALLY nice page?
lol
Find a good theme - it can look sorta like a WP page.WP can look like anything. A wiki can look like anything.
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@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@scottalanmiller said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@IRJ said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@IRJ said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@IRJ Can you provide examples I can test?
It's not something I've worked with for quite a while so I can't really tell you what's the best right now. I'm sure someone on here can chime in. Here are some examples.
Yeah it's too in-depth for what I am looking to do. My boss just wants a list of reported issues.
Application is down in Citrix. We are aware of the issue and are currently working on it.
Internet outage at X site. This is an ISP problem that is being worked on.
It's actually almost more of a blog than it is true reporting
Ah ok I see
Zabbix is something I am proposing though just as an FYI
Zabbix is for IT, it would be crazy for end users to see that.
Not as a solution for this request, just in general
I see. Yes, Zabbix is nice, we use it.
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@scottalanmiller said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@scottalanmiller said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@IRJ said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@IRJ said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@IRJ Can you provide examples I can test?
It's not something I've worked with for quite a while so I can't really tell you what's the best right now. I'm sure someone on here can chime in. Here are some examples.
Yeah it's too in-depth for what I am looking to do. My boss just wants a list of reported issues.
Application is down in Citrix. We are aware of the issue and are currently working on it.
Internet outage at X site. This is an ISP problem that is being worked on.
It's actually almost more of a blog than it is true reporting
Ah ok I see
Zabbix is something I am proposing though just as an FYI
Zabbix is for IT, it would be crazy for end users to see that.
Not as a solution for this request, just in general
I see. Yes, Zabbix is nice, we use it.
Yeah I set it up a few years ago at a past job. I will probably use Grafana as well
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@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@scottalanmiller said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@Dashrender said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@IRJ said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@IRJ Can you provide examples I can test?
It's not something I've worked with for quite a while so I can't really tell you what's the best right now. I'm sure someone on here can chime in. Here are some examples.
Yeah it's too in-depth for what I am looking to do. My boss just wants a list of reported issues.
Application is down in Citrix. We are aware of the issue and are currently working on it.
Internet outage at X site. This is an ISP problem that is being worked on.
It's actually almost more of a blog than it is true reporting
Something simple could easily be static HTML page. But WordPress would likely be easy enough.
Wiki would be better than either. Easier to edit than HTML (WYSIWYG options), way easier than WordPress. And easier to host than WP. And way easier to manage permissions than straight HTML
What wiki would you recommend? I've tried Bookstack and Wiki.js
BookStack for the WYSIWYG. But that's an idiotic requirement.
Dokuwiki is the right answer because it is so much simpler and no one that can't format should ever be allowed to give a status (it means that they are too stupid to understand the status) and no one should be formatting anything anyway when giving a status, so making it easier to screw up makes no sense.
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@scottalanmiller I agree with you however I was looking at it from his boss's viewpoint which is why I made that suggestion.
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@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@scottalanmiller said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@JaredBusch said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@wirestyle22 said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@JaredBusch said in IT reporting website for every day users:
use any basic wiki they all have an "edit" mode.
Wordpress is real overkill.
Even wiki.js without a super fancy WYSIWYG can easily be formatted. THe need for WYSIWYG is crazy for this. You need very minimal formatting for a simple alert page.
Markdown (what wiki.js uses) woudl be simple for it. No need for a database instance or anything.
My boss specified that he wanted "any user" to be able to edit it. They aren't going to be able to handle markdown. I suggested Bookstack because as far as I have seen its the best wiki with a WYSIWYG editor
Your boss is an idiot.
"any user" should never do this. it isan IT status page. IT updates it.
This ^^^
I meant anyone as in, any level of knowledge. Not everyone
Markdown can be used by the most idiotic child. You can't get more basic than markdown in any meaningful way. If the user has ANY brain capability to do anything, they can do markdown.
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@jmoore said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@scottalanmiller I agree with you however I was looking at it from his boss's viewpoint which is why I made that suggestion.
In what respect? To make WordPress do this in any kind of good way, it has to be used as a container for a wiki. WordPress will be worse for anything his boss has as a goal, other than outright sabotage. Harder for IT, harder for the end users. And WordPress is not WYSIWYG so that actually rules it out.
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@scottalanmiller Because from the way his boss phrased it, he doesnt want people to have to learn markdown. I know thats dumb because markdown is only slightly more complicated than writing with good grammar. However Wordpress is likely what will make the most sense to his boss and it isnt an "automatic" fail. I would use a wiki also if it were my choice but it isnt. Setting up authors as needed is trivial so should not be an issue. Again, I'm looking at this from his boss's viewpoint and what will be the easiest thing to get over and what is still trivial to set up and maintain.
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@scottalanmiller said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@jmoore said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@wirestyle22 I still think Wordpress is what you want for this. Its easy and quick enough for what your describing.
Can't be as good as a wiki. WordPress is built around blogging, not status. Blogs of status would be super weird and confusing. Wordpress can host a wiki, but all that is doing is making a really basic wiki harder than it needs to be.
DokuWiki is perfect here, no database needed.
OK I get what you're saying - but the end users don't know WP from a wiki - so ultimately that doesn't matter. If it's easier to edit a WP page for a novice, versus a wiki page, then I'd go WP.
of course, if this remains in IT's hands - then meh whatever!
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@wirestyle22 If you're looking for automation. You can make some really cool dashboards with Grafana.
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@scottalanmiller said in IT reporting website for every day users:
Dokuwiki is the right answer because it is so much simpler and no one that can't format should ever be allowed to give a status (it means that they are too stupid to understand the status) and no one should be formatting anything anyway when giving a status, so making it easier to screw up makes no sense
This. No requirements for a backend other then a webserver makes it portable and easy to use.
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@coliver said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@scottalanmiller said in IT reporting website for every day users:
Dokuwiki is the right answer because it is so much simpler and no one that can't format should ever be allowed to give a status (it means that they are too stupid to understand the status) and no one should be formatting anything anyway when giving a status, so making it easier to screw up makes no sense
This. No requirements for a backend other then a webserver makes it portable and easy to use.
Right which is why I also recommended Wiki.js.
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@JaredBusch said in IT reporting website for every day users:
Wiki.js
Doesn't that require MongoDB? I've never deployed it so curious. Although it can store all it's data in a git repository which is a really big draw.
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It sounds like what he wants is a ticketing system that supports ticket merging or something. If 50 people email in to say the phone system is down... Just merge all 50 tickets and then close the "master" ticket to notify all 50 people when the ticket has been closed.
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@coliver said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@JaredBusch said in IT reporting website for every day users:
Wiki.js
Doesn't that require MongoDB? I've never deployed it so curious. Although it can store all it's data in a git repository which is a really big draw.
The data is file system. maybe that was for the authentication? been a while since I installed it. so my memory is likely faulty.
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@JaredBusch said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@coliver said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@JaredBusch said in IT reporting website for every day users:
Wiki.js
Doesn't that require MongoDB? I've never deployed it so curious. Although it can store all it's data in a git repository which is a really big draw.
The data is file system. maybe that was for the authentication? been a while since I installed it. so my memory is likely faulty.
I think it can do either a flat file or use mongo
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@jmoore said in IT reporting website for every day users:
@scottalanmiller Because from the way his boss phrased it, he doesnt want people to have to learn markdown.
Wiki doesn't mean markdown, though. And a wiki in WordPress doesn't mean that markdown will be avoided.
WordPress would be a total mess and bring all the problems of a wiki, without solving any of the issues.
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@Dashrender said in IT reporting website for every day users:
If it's easier to edit a WP page for a novice, versus a wiki page, then I'd go WP.
It's not, it is way harder. Wiki = easy. WP = still easy, but not nearly AS easy.
The PURPOSE of a wiki is for exactly what is described here. The purpose of WP is not at all this.
