What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?
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@storageninja said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
And one key difference, SMBs tend to use homogeneous desktop environments. They "choose" Windows. Enterprises almost never do. They almost always deploy desktops as needed. Windows, MacOS, Linux, etc. They don't just force one to everyone. Somewhere, some must, but it's rare.
Work for a 30K man company. I can have our VAR spec out whatever I really feel like and my boss will approve for a computer. Currently using the "standard choice" MacBookPro. When you use MDM API's and agents for management you don't really need to focus so much on a corporate "Image" (which Microsoft has been going away from as the SMB's tend to use it more). Our trusted stuff is behind SSO portals, or VDI generally.
I used to be able to do that at the non-profit with Windows and MacOS, but they wouldn't let me have the Chromebook that I wanted - even though it would have been cheaper and more useful than the Macbook they made me get
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@scottalanmiller said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@storageninja said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
And one key difference, SMBs tend to use homogeneous desktop environments. They "choose" Windows. Enterprises almost never do. They almost always deploy desktops as needed. Windows, MacOS, Linux, etc. They don't just force one to everyone. Somewhere, some must, but it's rare.
Work for a 30K man company. I can have our VAR spec out whatever I really feel like and my boss will approve for a computer. Currently using the "standard choice" MacBookPro. When you use MDM API's and agents for management you don't really need to focus so much on a corporate "Image" (which Microsoft has been going away from as the SMB's tend to use it more). Our trusted stuff is behind SSO portals, or VDI generally.
I used to be able to do that at the non-profit with Windows and MacOS, but they wouldn't let me have the Chromebook that I wanted - even though it would have been cheaper and more useful than the Macbook they made me get
Hijack Anyone sees value in an i9 beyond cooking things on my laptop? I do some video render jobs but not enough to care (or I wouldn't just throw at my desktop if they became a chore).
Also is 32GB of RAM seriously useful if you don't run VM's locally?I've noticed the biggest slowdowns on a Mac are
- Running the SSD low on space
- Putting the McAffee Virus with automated scanning of all files on access and no exceptions.
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@storageninja said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@storageninja said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
And one key difference, SMBs tend to use homogeneous desktop environments. They "choose" Windows. Enterprises almost never do. They almost always deploy desktops as needed. Windows, MacOS, Linux, etc. They don't just force one to everyone. Somewhere, some must, but it's rare.
Work for a 30K man company. I can have our VAR spec out whatever I really feel like and my boss will approve for a computer. Currently using the "standard choice" MacBookPro. When you use MDM API's and agents for management you don't really need to focus so much on a corporate "Image" (which Microsoft has been going away from as the SMB's tend to use it more). Our trusted stuff is behind SSO portals, or VDI generally.
I used to be able to do that at the non-profit with Windows and MacOS, but they wouldn't let me have the Chromebook that I wanted - even though it would have been cheaper and more useful than the Macbook they made me get
Hijack Anyone sees value in an i9 beyond cooking things on my laptop? I do some video render jobs but not enough to care (or I wouldn't just throw at my desktop if they became a chore).
Also is 32GB of RAM seriously useful if you don't run VM's locally?I've noticed the biggest slowdowns on a Mac are
- Running the SSD low on space
- Putting the McAffee Virus with automated scanning of all files on access and no exceptions.
Yeah. . . installing the McAfee Virus usually causes me issues too. . .
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@storageninja said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
Also is 32GB of RAM seriously useful if you don't run VM's locally?
Never. I've never, not once, seen anyone use remotely close to the amount of RAM they think they need (who doesn't run multiple VMs). It's always a waste of money when someone wants tens of gigs of RAM... 20 or 30gb plus. Even in the teens.
For example, we have some serious drafters and programmers who swear they need lots of RAM, but I've never seen usage go past like 8 to 10 or so GB.
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@obsolesce said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@storageninja said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
Also is 32GB of RAM seriously useful if you don't run VM's locally?
Never. I've never, not once, seen anyone use remotely close to the amount of RAM they think they need (who doesn't run multiple VMs). It's always a waste of money when someone wants tens of gigs of RAM... 20 or 30gb plus. Even in the teens.
For example, we have some serious drafters and programmers who swear they need lots of RAM, but I've never seen usage go past like 8 to 10 or so GB.
I do hit 16GB I have in work PC occasionally, with Photoshop, Indesign and gazillion tabs in Google Chrome. I can imagine crossing 20GB, perhaps even getting close to 30GB.
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@obsolesce said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@storageninja said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
Also is 32GB of RAM seriously useful if you don't run VM's locally?
Never. I've never, not once, seen anyone use remotely close to the amount of RAM they think they need (who doesn't run multiple VMs). It's always a waste of money when someone wants tens of gigs of RAM... 20 or 30gb plus. Even in the teens.
For example, we have some serious drafters and programmers who swear they need lots of RAM, but I've never seen usage go past like 8 to 10 or so GB.
I need 16, but 32 is a lot.
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@obsolesce said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
For example, we have some serious drafters and programmers who swear they need lots of RAM, but I've never seen usage go past like 8 to 10 or so GB.
I go past 8GB using mostly web browsers!
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@scottalanmiller said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@obsolesce said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@storageninja said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
Also is 32GB of RAM seriously useful if you don't run VM's locally?
Never. I've never, not once, seen anyone use remotely close to the amount of RAM they think they need (who doesn't run multiple VMs). It's always a waste of money when someone wants tens of gigs of RAM... 20 or 30gb plus. Even in the teens.
For example, we have some serious drafters and programmers who swear they need lots of RAM, but I've never seen usage go past like 8 to 10 or so GB.
I need 16, but 32 is a lot.
Yes I'm sure hte majority of ML users will. I'm talking about office type setting, typical "power" users, some drafters, programmers, etc.
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@obsolesce said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@obsolesce said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@storageninja said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
Also is 32GB of RAM seriously useful if you don't run VM's locally?
Never. I've never, not once, seen anyone use remotely close to the amount of RAM they think they need (who doesn't run multiple VMs). It's always a waste of money when someone wants tens of gigs of RAM... 20 or 30gb plus. Even in the teens.
For example, we have some serious drafters and programmers who swear they need lots of RAM, but I've never seen usage go past like 8 to 10 or so GB.
I need 16, but 32 is a lot.
Yes I'm sure hte majority of ML users will. I'm talking about office type setting, typical "power" users, some drafters, programmers, etc.
I can definitely "get by" with 8GB, but 12GB is a lot more comfortable. I'm loving having 16GB now.
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@storageninja said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
Hijack Anyone sees value in an i9 beyond cooking things on my laptop?
Nope....
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@obsolesce For the typical office worker that I have seen 8 is just fine
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@storageninja No I sure don't. The "i" series I would consider best for gamers mostly.
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@jmoore said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@storageninja No I sure don't. The "i" series I would consider best for gamers mostly.
"i" series is the entire Intel mainline desktop and laptop processor ranges.
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@jmoore said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@obsolesce For the typical office worker that I have seen 8 is just fine
They make 3, 5, 7 and 9
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@scottalanmiller said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@jmoore said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@obsolesce For the typical office worker that I have seen 8 is just fine
They make 3, 5, 7 and 9
He was replying to a thread on memory.
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@jaredbusch said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@jmoore said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@obsolesce For the typical office worker that I have seen 8 is just fine
They make 3, 5, 7 and 9
He was replying to a thread on memory.
Oh, haha
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@obsolesce said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
Never. I've never, not once, seen anyone use remotely close to the amount of RAM they think they need (who doesn't run multiple VMs). It's always a waste of money when someone wants tens of gigs of RAM... 20 or 30gb plus. Even in the teens.
I have co-workers who might try to build an entire nested openstack or kuberentes environment lab on their laptop, or a full SDDC in a box lab (NSX, nested ESXi hosts with vSAN cluster etc) and get a bit crazy.
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@openit said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
., does it mean we need to leave these things since we don't have tools? Are these tools really worthy for this size of company? are they necessary?
Considering these tools charge per user (albiet with steeper discounts at scale) I'd argue SaaS solutions make a LOT of this stuff more accessible tha never before because it removes the expensive part (Staff trained with enough time and competence to deploy/manage them)
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@storageninja said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@openit said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
., does it mean we need to leave these things since we don't have tools? Are these tools really worthy for this size of company? are they necessary?
Considering these tools charge per user (albiet with steeper discounts at scale) I'd argue SaaS solutions make a LOT of this stuff more accessible tha never before because it removes the expensive part (Staff trained with enough time and competence to deploy/manage them)
How many of this specific type are priced this way?
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@scottalanmiller said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@storageninja said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
@openit said in What are necessary/worthy/affordable tools for SMB?:
., does it mean we need to leave these things since we don't have tools? Are these tools really worthy for this size of company? are they necessary?
Considering these tools charge per user (albiet with steeper discounts at scale) I'd argue SaaS solutions make a LOT of this stuff more accessible tha never before because it removes the expensive part (Staff trained with enough time and competence to deploy/manage them)
How many of this specific type are priced this way?
We have Office 365 essentials for email, but no additional tools like spam filter.
Spam filters are licensed per user.We have general antivirus ESET, but no specialized anti-malware, anti-ransomware, anti.....
Licensed per userWe have firewall, but not additional add on like Outbound filters, etc.....
This I don't get as outbound firewall rules don't charge money, but if you want micro-segmentation per user that's a thing.We don't have vulnerability scanners, commercial tools to monitor heartbeat of machines and network devices, no opendns kind of service etc...
DNS services can be priced per user, and monitoring like thousand eyes are per poll
