Asus and HP Announce First Windows 10 ARM Laptops
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HP and Asus have announced the very first laptops built on ARM RISC CPUs that will run Windows 10. (Contrary to Ars technica's article title, these are not PCs as PC denotes the architecture and as these are based on ARM, they cannot also be a PC.)
"Branded as Always Connected PCs, the new Windows on ARM systems are positioned as bringing together the best of PCs and smartphones. They have PC form factors, with the productivity enabled by a real keyboard, touchpad, and general purpose operating system capable of running regular Windows software, but they bring with them the seamless switching between LTE and Wi-Fi, instant on, multiple working day battery life, and slimline, lightweight packaging that we're accustomed to on our phones."
The Asus model has a battery life of over 22 hours of use, and a month of standby!
The processor that both vendors are using today is the Qualcomm Snapdragon 835. A very powerful, but low power consumption, ARM RISC processor.
Unfortunately, the operating system is Windows 10 S, which cannot run third party applications but is exclusively able to run apps from the Windows App Store, dramatically limiting the potential of these devices. However, it is believed that these can be upgraded to Windows 10 Pro.
Unlike previous ARM projects from Microsoft, this is the first one on 64bit.
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I'm just excited about the new hardware. Faster CPUs, and double the RAM of most Chromebooks with higher resolution screens - getting Fedora onto these will be great.
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Can I pay less for the hardware without an OS and then make it a badass chromebook?
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@rojoloco said in Asus and HP Announce First Windows 10 ARM Laptops:
Can I pay less for the hardware without an OS and then make it a badass chromebook?
That's why I got my System76 laptop. Not having to buy a Windows license allowed me to get an PCI-e SSD.
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@eddiejennings said in Asus and HP Announce First Windows 10 ARM Laptops:
@rojoloco said in Asus and HP Announce First Windows 10 ARM Laptops:
Can I pay less for the hardware without an OS and then make it a badass chromebook?
That's why I got my System76 laptop. Not having to buy a Windows license allowed me to get an PCI-e SSD.
If only System76 would make an ARM unit!
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@scottalanmiller said in Asus and HP Announce First Windows 10 ARM Laptops:
I'm just excited about the new hardware. Faster CPUs, and double the RAM of most Chromebooks with higher resolution screens - getting Fedora onto these will be great.
Lol that's the first thing I thought of too!
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@tim_g said in Asus and HP Announce First Windows 10 ARM Laptops:
@scottalanmiller said in Asus and HP Announce First Windows 10 ARM Laptops:
I'm just excited about the new hardware. Faster CPUs, and double the RAM of most Chromebooks with higher resolution screens - getting Fedora onto these will be great.
Lol that's the first thing I thought of too!
If I had a 22 hour Fedora laptop... damn!
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@scottalanmiller said in Asus and HP Announce First Windows 10 ARM Laptops:
@tim_g said in Asus and HP Announce First Windows 10 ARM Laptops:
@scottalanmiller said in Asus and HP Announce First Windows 10 ARM Laptops:
I'm just excited about the new hardware. Faster CPUs, and double the RAM of most Chromebooks with higher resolution screens - getting Fedora onto these will be great.
Lol that's the first thing I thought of too!
If I had a 22 hour Fedora laptop... damn!
I'd stick this right on there!
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I heard the first trials with ARM notebooks where horrible for Windows.
I'll be very curious to see how it does in a Linux GUI setup, performance wise.
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@dashrender said in Asus and HP Announce First Windows 10 ARM Laptops:
I heard the first trials with ARM notebooks where horrible for Windows.
I'll be very curious to see how it does in a Linux GUI setup, performance wise.
To be fair, every time I try Windows on ARM64 it's pretty bad, too. So that's not really telling us that it is any worse on ARM.
But really, what are people expecting? And what are they getting? Are people testing the ported OS? Or are they talking about emulated applications?
This is a case where the tabels are flipped. Normally people compare Linux and Windows and blame Linux for lacking something - but things they'd never even ask Windows to do. Here, we are likely doing the opposite. You'd never ask Linux to emulate a different architecture for your apps, but that's what Windows is going to do. Why, ecosystem differences. Windows has to do it for all the reasons we've complained about Windows and its app culture for decades. But it is what it is.
In the same situation, Linux apps would be written off as silly and an app problem. On Windows, we'll try to run them anyway.
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Wasn't the original surface an arm tablet?
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@coliver said in Asus and HP Announce First Windows 10 ARM Laptops:
Wasn't the original surface an arm tablet?
Yep, total failure, no apps.
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@coliver said in Asus and HP Announce First Windows 10 ARM Laptops:
Wasn't the original surface an arm tablet?
Yeah
