LANLess explained.
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@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@eddiejennings said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1
The idea is that you don't need static IP to access them. They're accessible from anywhere, on any device. Location/IP no longer matters.Noob question, but how can these servers have non-static IP address. Would you be using some kind of DDNS service?
Ah, I thought @Emad-R was saying to get static IPs for the office connections, the servers would need the normal static connection.
I read it the same way, Travis. But doing so isn't related to LAN-Less design, it's a security decision, from my point of view.
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@dashrender said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@eddiejennings said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1
The idea is that you don't need static IP to access them. They're accessible from anywhere, on any device. Location/IP no longer matters.Noob question, but how can these servers have non-static IP address. Would you be using some kind of DDNS service?
Ah, I thought @Emad-R was saying to get static IPs for the office connections, the servers would need the normal static connection.
I read it the same way, Travis. But doing so isn't related to LAN-Less design, it's a security decision, from my point of view.
Well, one of the big deals with going LANLess in the first place is not having to care about where workstations/clients are located. Having statically assigned IP addresses at offices would indicate that location matters somewhere.
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@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@dashrender said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@eddiejennings said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1
The idea is that you don't need static IP to access them. They're accessible from anywhere, on any device. Location/IP no longer matters.Noob question, but how can these servers have non-static IP address. Would you be using some kind of DDNS service?
Ah, I thought @Emad-R was saying to get static IPs for the office connections, the servers would need the normal static connection.
I read it the same way, Travis. But doing so isn't related to LAN-Less design, it's a security decision, from my point of view.
Well, one of the big deals with going LANLess in the first place is not having to care about where workstations/clients are located. Having statically assigned IP addresses at offices would indicate that location matters somewhere.
It matters only in so much as a form of security.
FreePBX is more or less LANLess today with it's responsive firewall. But it's not uncommon to whitelist or limit access to specified IPs, again for security purposes.
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@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
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Btw when I tried to look at your original website, Cloudflare said your site was down.
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@jmoore said in LANLess explained.:
Btw when I tried to look at your original website, Cloudflare said your site was down.
That's a cloudflare issue, it happens from time to time. Usually a refresh takes care of it.
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@romo said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
Yes, but there is still a disconnect even if the password is the same. I sign and access the files I need vs I sign in and access the files I need and also need to sign into Google file sync/stream. An optimum user abstraction would make it seem to the user that there is only one 'place' where their files are and they don't have to think about it.
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@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@romo said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
Yes, but there is still a disconnect even if the password is the same. I sign and access the files I need vs I sign in and access the files I need and also need to sign into Google file sync/stream. An optimum user abstraction would make it seem to the user that there is only one 'place' where their files are and they don't have to think about it.
That's not the way of the world anymore.
Heck MS tried to bring that back (at least in mobile with their HUBS idea - but we all know where that is now). Each vendor wants it's own branding front and center. -
@dashrender said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@romo said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
Yes, but there is still a disconnect even if the password is the same. I sign and access the files I need vs I sign in and access the files I need and also need to sign into Google file sync/stream. An optimum user abstraction would make it seem to the user that there is only one 'place' where their files are and they don't have to think about it.
That's not the way of the world anymore.
Heck MS tried to bring that back (at least in mobile with their HUBS idea - but we all know where that is now). Each vendor wants it's own branding front and center.It is achievable with open source tools, but it's kind of a stop-gap thing while we are still exposing users to the OS filesystem
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@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@dashrender said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@romo said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
Yes, but there is still a disconnect even if the password is the same. I sign and access the files I need vs I sign in and access the files I need and also need to sign into Google file sync/stream. An optimum user abstraction would make it seem to the user that there is only one 'place' where their files are and they don't have to think about it.
That's not the way of the world anymore.
Heck MS tried to bring that back (at least in mobile with their HUBS idea - but we all know where that is now). Each vendor wants it's own branding front and center.It is achievable with open source tools, but it's kind of a stop-gap thing while we are still exposing users to the OS filesystem
Give me an example of your achieved via open source tools solution, please.
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@jmoore said in LANLess explained.:
Btw when I tried to look at your original website, Cloudflare said your site was down.
Yeah, the server was actually down for a while. Newbie mistake on my end, automatic updates are setup, but it wasn't autostarting httpd, oops... I need to get much better with saltstack already!
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@romo said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
The idea would be to move to G Suite entirely, including file storage with Google Drive. No need for AD, and all credentials managed through admin.google.com
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@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@romo said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
The idea would be to move to G Suite entirely, including file storage with Google Drive. No need for AD, and all credentials managed through admin.google.com
That just leaves managing the Windows machines, assuming they aren't BOYD.
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@dashrender said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@romo said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
The idea would be to move to G Suite entirely, including file storage with Google Drive. No need for AD, and all credentials managed through admin.google.com
That just leaves managing the Windows machines, assuming they aren't BOYD.
Who needs to manage them at that point? Besides making sure updates are downloaded and installed normally, and that they have the latest OS. Those are both automatic and free (currently, subject to change.)
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@dashrender said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@dashrender said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@romo said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
Yes, but there is still a disconnect even if the password is the same. I sign and access the files I need vs I sign in and access the files I need and also need to sign into Google file sync/stream. An optimum user abstraction would make it seem to the user that there is only one 'place' where their files are and they don't have to think about it.
That's not the way of the world anymore.
Heck MS tried to bring that back (at least in mobile with their HUBS idea - but we all know where that is now). Each vendor wants it's own branding front and center.It is achievable with open source tools, but it's kind of a stop-gap thing while we are still exposing users to the OS filesystem
Give me an example of your achieved via open source tools solution, please.
I not 100% sure we are talking about the same thing, but here it goes.
I'm almost done creating a Salt collection (I should turn it into a Salt Formula) that uses Syncthing to Sync folders like Desktop, Documents, etc to a Syncthing 'master' server (essentially replacing Folder Redirection). Therefore whenever one of my user logs on to a workstation that I manage with Salt, their files will get synced without needing to be on the same LAN, just internet connection required.
It might be possible to do something similar using the Google Drive API
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@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@dashrender said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@romo said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
The idea would be to move to G Suite entirely, including file storage with Google Drive. No need for AD, and all credentials managed through admin.google.com
That just leaves managing the Windows machines, assuming they aren't BOYD.
Who needs to manage them at that point? Besides making sure updates are downloaded and installed normally, and that they have the latest OS. Those are both automatic and free (currently, subject to change.)
LANless doesn't mean leaving users to their own means on company workstations. With something like Salt, it should be easier to manage them than ever. A lot of the time, users are left to report issues with their workstation that could be fixed with routine maintenance (clearing browser cache, etc.), or that could be detected earlier (i.e. running smartmontools to report if there are bad sectors in the hard drive). Before it might have seemed like a daunting task, but with today's tools that is what a modern desktop admin should be doing. Workstations are just servers that serve one person.
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@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@dashrender said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@romo said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
The idea would be to move to G Suite entirely, including file storage with Google Drive. No need for AD, and all credentials managed through admin.google.com
That just leaves managing the Windows machines, assuming they aren't BOYD.
Who needs to manage them at that point? Besides making sure updates are downloaded and installed normally, and that they have the latest OS. Those are both automatic and free (currently, subject to change.)
Because if they are business owned machines, I don't want my users to have local admin rights. So some form of management still needs to take place.
If you have a reason to not have this, I'm all ears.
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@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@dashrender said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@dashrender said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@romo said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
Yes, but there is still a disconnect even if the password is the same. I sign and access the files I need vs I sign in and access the files I need and also need to sign into Google file sync/stream. An optimum user abstraction would make it seem to the user that there is only one 'place' where their files are and they don't have to think about it.
That's not the way of the world anymore.
Heck MS tried to bring that back (at least in mobile with their HUBS idea - but we all know where that is now). Each vendor wants it's own branding front and center.It is achievable with open source tools, but it's kind of a stop-gap thing while we are still exposing users to the OS filesystem
Give me an example of your achieved via open source tools solution, please.
I not 100% sure we are talking about the same thing, but here it goes.
I'm almost done creating a Salt collection (I should turn it into a Salt Formula) that uses Syncthing to Sync folders like Desktop, Documents, etc to a Syncthing 'master' server (essentially replacing Folder Redirection). Therefore whenever one of my user logs on to a workstation that I manage with Salt, their files will get synced without needing to be on the same LAN, just internet connection required.
It might be possible to do something similar using the Google Drive API
This sounds good, but is it tenable for someone with many gigs on their desktop? If we discount laptop/mobile users for the moment, the idea of working off cloud only stuff, i.e. no local sync, there's no syncing required at all.
Offline access is the sticking point in this.
If you have policies in place that prevent huge amounts of data/files from needing to be synced, then the above mentioned syncing solution might be doable for regular users, but in the wild west of people having huge amounts of things to be synced, especially to a new machine, that's a super slow logon process.
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@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@dashrender said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@romo said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
@travisdh1 said in LANLess explained.:
@flaxking said in LANLess explained.:
Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
The idea would be to move to G Suite entirely, including file storage with Google Drive. No need for AD, and all credentials managed through admin.google.com
That just leaves managing the Windows machines, assuming they aren't BOYD.
Who needs to manage them at that point? Besides making sure updates are downloaded and installed normally, and that they have the latest OS. Those are both automatic and free (currently, subject to change.)
Needs to? You might not need to, but you can, and better than ever before.
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Don't forget tools to manage the workstations. In a LANLess design, you can treat the workstations like they're on a public network and crank the firewall up, and that means you don't rely on the LAN to manage/access workstations.
I'd say you're most of the way there with just Office 365 or GSuite only if you've gone all the way in (which for GSuite requires Chromebooks unless you're all BYOD)
We actually have GSuite at my part-time position right now, I just need to get people to actually USE IT. Yep.
Good luck with that. We have GSuite at my job too, but there's no incentive to fully use it. There's a disconnect between their regular AD login and their GSuite account, and so it doesn't make sense for users to start using this service that seems separated from everything else, and there doesn't seem to be any way to script Google Drive. It makes sense with Chromebooks, since everything gets linked together, and it would make sense with BYOD since your Google account is "how you get in" to the company resources. So unless company culture and structure changes (i.e. get rid of SMB access to the fileserver) there's no good way to ease them into it.
At with Office 365, from what I hear, you can do SSO with Onedrive and then do redirected folders into the Onedrive folder. Currently I'm working on coming up with a solution using Syncthing.
You can try setting up G Suite Password Sync (GSPS) to get your AD passwords insync with their GSuite account
Yes, but there is still a disconnect even if the password is the same. I sign and access the files I need vs I sign in and access the files I need and also need to sign into Google file sync/stream. An optimum user abstraction would make it seem to the user that there is only one 'place' where their files are and they don't have to think about it.
That's not the way of the world anymore.
Heck MS tried to bring that back (at least in mobile with their HUBS idea - but we all know where that is now). Each vendor wants it's own branding front and center.It is achievable with open source tools, but it's kind of a stop-gap thing while we are still exposing users to the OS filesystem
Give me an example of your achieved via open source tools solution, please.
I not 100% sure we are talking about the same thing, but here it goes.
I'm almost done creating a Salt collection (I should turn it into a Salt Formula) that uses Syncthing to Sync folders like Desktop, Documents, etc to a Syncthing 'master' server (essentially replacing Folder Redirection). Therefore whenever one of my user logs on to a workstation that I manage with Salt, their files will get synced without needing to be on the same LAN, just internet connection required.
It might be possible to do something similar using the Google Drive API
This sounds good, but is it tenable for someone with many gigs on their desktop? If we discount laptop/mobile users for the moment, the idea of working off cloud only stuff, i.e. no local sync, there's no syncing required at all.
Offline access is the sticking point in this.
If you have policies in place that prevent huge amounts of data/files from needing to be synced, then the above mentioned syncing solution might be doable for regular users, but in the wild west of people having huge amounts of things to be synced, especially to a new machine, that's a super slow logon process.
You're missing the point that the data and apps live on the servers, and not on the local workstation. Syncing to the workstation actively inhibits use.
