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    • gjacobseG
      gjacobse @DustinB3403
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      @dustinb3403 said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

      The question it's self kind of throws me for a loop, as phone service requires almost no bandwidth at all. Even if we combined all of our lines together the summary bandwidth they'd offer is maybe 2MBps.

      Agreed - with SIP, at least as I understand... there is no need to have two lines - ever. Unless you have two separate ISP so you have redundant service.

      But that is not what you (they) have is it....

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
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        @jaredbusch said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

        That is not how any of this works.

        That's my point, and I'm at a loss on how to explain it. I felt like a deer in headlights when the question was asked.

        Because no one would rightfully ask the question unless they were intentionally being a roadblock.

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        • gjacobseG
          gjacobse @DustinB3403
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          @dustinb3403 said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

          Is it possible to take the bandwidth from our digital telephone (non-sip) lines and have that amount supplied to our internet performance, so we can port the numbers and have faster internet?

          Sounds really like they are trying to take 1980's technology (ISDN type) and bond them into one line.... in this age,.. pointless, useless and a complete waste of money and time.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403
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            We have phone and internet on separate lines.

            We have a block of DID's.

            The question asked can we take the bandwidth provided by our phone lines (cumulative DID bandwidth allocation) and have that supplied to out internet performance to have more bandwidth.

            At least that is how I interpreted the question.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
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              Just stop making calls, Internet bandwidth frees right up.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender
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                I totally understand why they ask this question. They don't understand how little bandwidth phone calls use.
                The fact that you have digital in-house phones isn't relevant. The connection to the PSTN is the only thing that matters. And - as you said, it would amount to about 2 Mb/s.

                Draw them a picture. Huge pipe on the internet side, and tiny pipe on the SIP trunk side. Show them how it would make no difference at all.

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                • JaredBuschJ
                  JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                  Just stop making calls, Internet bandwidth frees right up.

                  Separate lines. so no it does not.

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch @Dashrender
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                    @dashrender said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                    I totally understand why they ask this question. They don't understand how little bandwidth phone calls use.
                    The fact that you have digital in-house phones isn't relevant. The connection to the PSTN is the only thing that matters. And - as you said, it would amount to about 2 Mb/s.

                    Draw them a picture. Huge pipe on the internet side, and tiny pipe on the SIP trunk side. Show them how it would make no difference at all.

                    Not true, of course making hte internet pipe larger would make a difference. it would make it faster. even by a little.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @JaredBusch
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                      @jaredbusch said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                      @scottalanmiller said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                      Just stop making calls, Internet bandwidth frees right up.

                      Separate lines. so no it does not.

                      Exactly.

                      My bosses choice has me in the same boat - ISP is one line, a completely separate line exists for the SIP trunks.

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        Which really the question should be, hey ISP (and phone provider) what would it take to increase our internet pipe?

                        Not this horseshit question of lets take the bandwidth provided by the phones and some how bump the internet performance up.

                        It's such a trivial amount of performance that it just doesn't make sense.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @JaredBusch
                          last edited by Dashrender

                          @jaredbusch said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                          @dashrender said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                          I totally understand why they ask this question. They don't understand how little bandwidth phone calls use.
                          The fact that you have digital in-house phones isn't relevant. The connection to the PSTN is the only thing that matters. And - as you said, it would amount to about 2 Mb/s.

                          Draw them a picture. Huge pipe on the internet side, and tiny pipe on the SIP trunk side. Show them how it would make no difference at all.

                          Not true, of course making hte internet pipe larger would make a difference. it would make it faster. even by a little.

                          OK, now you're pulling a Scott (yes it's a think 😉 ) - and of course you're right, but will they notice the difference of an extra .5 - 2 Mb/s of bandwidth? Very unlikely.

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                          • gjacobseG
                            gjacobse @Dashrender
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                            @dashrender said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                            @jaredbusch said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                            @scottalanmiller said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                            Just stop making calls, Internet bandwidth frees right up.

                            Separate lines. so no it does not.

                            Exactly.

                            My bosses choice has me in the same boat - ISP is one line, a completely separate line exists for the SIP trunks.

                            some details he may not understand... he's pissing money.

                            Kill the split, up the one. If they are the same ISP, then you don't have any redundancy with it.... so why have it. SIP uses so little over head,... and by expanding your pipe,... you solve the problem

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                            • JaredBuschJ
                              JaredBusch
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                              Dustin,

                              You explain that you can easily call the ISP and ask that the internet line speed be increased from XX to YY.

                              Then you can also say that you can add traffic shaping rules to the internet line to make sure availability is reserved for phone calls.

                              But the ISP will not guarantee the call quality in that scenario like they do in your current scenario.

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                              • BRRABillB
                                BRRABill @JaredBusch
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                                @jaredbusch said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                                That is not how any of this works.

                                You can't keep saying that without posting an appropriate meme. I think that is an internet foul.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @DustinB3403
                                  last edited by

                                  @dustinb3403 said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                                  Which really the question should be, hey ISP (and phone provider) what would it take to increase our internet pipe?

                                  Not this horseshit question of lets take the bandwidth provided by the phones and some how bump the internet performance up.

                                  It's such a trivial amount of performance that it just doesn't make sense.

                                  What's interesting to me is - why do they know it's on a separate pipe? Them knowing this lead to them asking, of course they probably think the SIP pipe is the same speed as the ISP pipe, hence the question.

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                                  • JaredBuschJ
                                    JaredBusch @BRRABill
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                                    @brrabill said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                                    @jaredbusch said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                                    That is not how any of this works.

                                    You can't keep saying that without posting an appropriate meme. I think that is an internet foul.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @gjacobse
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                                      @gjacobse said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                                      @dashrender said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                                      @jaredbusch said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                                      Just stop making calls, Internet bandwidth frees right up.

                                      Separate lines. so no it does not.

                                      Exactly.

                                      My bosses choice has me in the same boat - ISP is one line, a completely separate line exists for the SIP trunks.

                                      some details he may not understand... he's pissing money.

                                      Kill the split, up the one. If they are the same ISP, then you don't have any redundancy with it.... so why have it. SIP uses so little over head,... and by expanding your pipe,... you solve the problem

                                      In my case - my ISP doesn't allow it any other way. It's their way of just adding additional costs to the situation like an old school carrier.

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403 @gjacobse
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                                        @gjacobse said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                                        @dustinb3403 said in I can't even begin to explain this question:

                                        The question it's self kind of throws me for a loop, as phone service requires almost no bandwidth at all. Even if we combined all of our lines together the summary bandwidth they'd offer is maybe 2MBps.

                                        Agreed - with SIP, at least as I understand... there is no need to have two lines - ever. Unless you have two separate ISP so you have redundant service.

                                        But that is not what you (they) have is it....

                                        We have no redundancy in place today, simply separate services from a single provider.

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                                        • gjacobseG
                                          gjacobse
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                                          We give ISPs a hard time,.. and even I had a outage this week. Spectrum, COMCast etc,.. beat on them all.

                                          But I am likely pulling four different YouTube streams, maybe even a Netflix stream and still pulling 69Mbps download.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                                            @jaredbusch Red Dwarf!!!

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