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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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      @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

      @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

      Remember, this thread is ONLY about end users receiving working systems regardless of what hardware is used or what it is initially designed for. This is about users only. NOT about installations or IT use.

      But, lets say a user has both and is introduced to a Korora and Win10 system at the same time. It's equally easy to click on a task bar icon to launch the web browser. I don't see how either can be easier than the other.

      One is clean and clear. The other is cluttered, full of moving images and such. Windows 10 is way more intimidating. It's hard to figure out even what is installed vs. what is an ad.

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      • dafyreD
        dafyre @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

        Windows 10 is way more intimidating. It's hard to figure out even what is installed vs. what is an ad.

        I'll have to score a point to @scottalanmiller for this one.

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          black3dynamite @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

          @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

          @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

          Remember, this thread is ONLY about end users receiving working systems regardless of what hardware is used or what it is initially designed for. This is about users only. NOT about installations or IT use.

          But, lets say a user has both and is introduced to a Korora and Win10 system at the same time. It's equally easy to click on a task bar icon to launch the web browser. I don't see how either can be easier than the other.

          One is clean and clear. The other is cluttered, full of moving images and such. Windows 10 is way more intimidating. It's hard to figure out even what is installed vs. what is an ad.

          The same can be said when using KDE, it can also be intimidating to use.

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          • ObsolesceO
            Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

            @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

            @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

            Remember, this thread is ONLY about end users receiving working systems regardless of what hardware is used or what it is initially designed for. This is about users only. NOT about installations or IT use.

            But, lets say a user has both and is introduced to a Korora and Win10 system at the same time. It's equally easy to click on a task bar icon to launch the web browser. I don't see how either can be easier than the other.

            One is clean and clear. The other is cluttered, full of moving images and such. Windows 10 is way more intimidating. It's hard to figure out even what is installed vs. what is an ad.

            Yeah, the start menu is very cluttered on a default install and I can see it being intimidating to a new computer user. But, the have you ever hit the "start" button in Ubuntu or Korora? All kinds of stuff comes up and is also very cluttered with stuff. Both OSs can be equally cleaned up as part of the install process, which as you mentioned, this thread is not about.

            Leaving the start menus out of it and things that can be set up for the user during install..

            There's a launch bar on the side in Linux, and a launch bar on the bottom on windows. Both have a web browser icon. No moving images or clutter there. Both are equally visible and equally easy to click to open and start web browsing. Same with Email and other simple tasks.

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            • ObsolesceO
              Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

              Without the gaming hardware, I expect (and hope) that Asus laptops are broadly compatible with most Linux. I hope to test this as I really want a ZenBook.

              Keep me posted on this, please.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @black3dynamite
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                  @black3dynamite said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                  @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                  Remember, this thread is ONLY about end users receiving working systems regardless of what hardware is used or what it is initially designed for. This is about users only. NOT about installations or IT use.

                  But, lets say a user has both and is introduced to a Korora and Win10 system at the same time. It's equally easy to click on a task bar icon to launch the web browser. I don't see how either can be easier than the other.

                  One is clean and clear. The other is cluttered, full of moving images and such. Windows 10 is way more intimidating. It's hard to figure out even what is installed vs. what is an ad.

                  The same can be said when using KDE, it can also be intimidating to use.

                  True, which is why that's not considered a desktop for new users. It's a power user interface. Although if you use it on Gecko or Korora, it's totally as easy as anything else.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                    last edited by

                    @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                    @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                    Remember, this thread is ONLY about end users receiving working systems regardless of what hardware is used or what it is initially designed for. This is about users only. NOT about installations or IT use.

                    But, lets say a user has both and is introduced to a Korora and Win10 system at the same time. It's equally easy to click on a task bar icon to launch the web browser. I don't see how either can be easier than the other.

                    One is clean and clear. The other is cluttered, full of moving images and such. Windows 10 is way more intimidating. It's hard to figure out even what is installed vs. what is an ad.

                    Yeah, the start menu is very cluttered on a default install and I can see it being intimidating to a new computer user. But, the have you ever hit the "start" button in Ubuntu or Korora? All kinds of stuff comes up and is also very cluttered with stuff. Both OSs can be equally cleaned up as part of the install process, which as you mentioned, this thread is not about.

                    My default Korora menu is clean, my default Windows is not. Not sure how it got cluttered, but mine isn't like that on either system that we run it on.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                      @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                      Without the gaming hardware, I expect (and hope) that Asus laptops are broadly compatible with most Linux. I hope to test this as I really want a ZenBook.

                      Keep me posted on this, please.

                      It's not a "about to happen" purchase. Finances are lean right now and I have no actual need for a new machine. Next on the replacement list is the wife's Lenovo (we HATE that machine) and she might go ZenBook but might go Chromebook. Those are the two plans currently. Really for what she does, a Chromebook is ideal. She uses Korora now and likes it, but just doesn't need the power most of the time and has access to my Ubuntu laptop when she does.

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                      • ObsolesceO
                        Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                        @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                        Without the gaming hardware, I expect (and hope) that Asus laptops are broadly compatible with most Linux. I hope to test this as I really want a ZenBook.

                        Keep me posted on this, please.

                        It's not a "about to happen" purchase. Finances are lean right now and I have no actual need for a new machine. Next on the replacement list is the wife's Lenovo (we HATE that machine) and she might go ZenBook but might go Chromebook. Those are the two plans currently. Really for what she does, a Chromebook is ideal. She uses Korora now and likes it, but just doesn't need the power most of the time and has access to my Ubuntu laptop when she does.

                        Chromebooks look nice. I almost got one before my trip.

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                        • ObsolesceO
                          Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                          last edited by Obsolesce

                          @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                          @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                          @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                          Remember, this thread is ONLY about end users receiving working systems regardless of what hardware is used or what it is initially designed for. This is about users only. NOT about installations or IT use.

                          But, lets say a user has both and is introduced to a Korora and Win10 system at the same time. It's equally easy to click on a task bar icon to launch the web browser. I don't see how either can be easier than the other.

                          One is clean and clear. The other is cluttered, full of moving images and such. Windows 10 is way more intimidating. It's hard to figure out even what is installed vs. what is an ad.

                          Yeah, the start menu is very cluttered on a default install and I can see it being intimidating to a new computer user. But, the have you ever hit the "start" button in Ubuntu or Korora? All kinds of stuff comes up and is also very cluttered with stuff. Both OSs can be equally cleaned up as part of the install process, which as you mentioned, this thread is not about.

                          My default Korora menu is clean, my default Windows is not. Not sure how it got cluttered, but mine isn't like that on either system that we run it on.

                          Oh, that's right! I was referring to Gnome desktop in Korora. Cinnamon is clean for sure... I'm with ya there. WinXP-like style ftw haha.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                            last edited by

                            @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                            @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                            Without the gaming hardware, I expect (and hope) that Asus laptops are broadly compatible with most Linux. I hope to test this as I really want a ZenBook.

                            Keep me posted on this, please.

                            It's not a "about to happen" purchase. Finances are lean right now and I have no actual need for a new machine. Next on the replacement list is the wife's Lenovo (we HATE that machine) and she might go ZenBook but might go Chromebook. Those are the two plans currently. Really for what she does, a Chromebook is ideal. She uses Korora now and likes it, but just doesn't need the power most of the time and has access to my Ubuntu laptop when she does.

                            Chromebooks look nice. I almost got one before my trip.

                            I love mine. Everyone I know is buying the same one because they like it so much.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                              last edited by

                              @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                              @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                              @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                              Remember, this thread is ONLY about end users receiving working systems regardless of what hardware is used or what it is initially designed for. This is about users only. NOT about installations or IT use.

                              But, lets say a user has both and is introduced to a Korora and Win10 system at the same time. It's equally easy to click on a task bar icon to launch the web browser. I don't see how either can be easier than the other.

                              One is clean and clear. The other is cluttered, full of moving images and such. Windows 10 is way more intimidating. It's hard to figure out even what is installed vs. what is an ad.

                              Yeah, the start menu is very cluttered on a default install and I can see it being intimidating to a new computer user. But, the have you ever hit the "start" button in Ubuntu or Korora? All kinds of stuff comes up and is also very cluttered with stuff. Both OSs can be equally cleaned up as part of the install process, which as you mentioned, this thread is not about.

                              My default Korora menu is clean, my default Windows is not. Not sure how it got cluttered, but mine isn't like that on either system that we run it on.

                              Oh, that's right! I was referring to Gnome desktop in Korora. Cinnamon is clean for sure... I'm with ya there. WinXP-like style ftw haha.

                              Oh okay, I've not seen the Gnome 3 one. I've seen the other three. Figures.

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                Remember, this thread is ONLY about end users receiving working systems regardless of what hardware is used or what it is initially designed for. This is about users only. NOT about installations or IT use.

                                But, lets say a user has both and is introduced to a Korora and Win10 system at the same time. It's equally easy to click on a task bar icon to launch the web browser. I don't see how either can be easier than the other.

                                One is clean and clear. The other is cluttered, full of moving images and such. Windows 10 is way more intimidating. It's hard to figure out even what is installed vs. what is an ad.

                                Yeah, the start menu is very cluttered on a default install and I can see it being intimidating to a new computer user. But, the have you ever hit the "start" button in Ubuntu or Korora? All kinds of stuff comes up and is also very cluttered with stuff. Both OSs can be equally cleaned up as part of the install process, which as you mentioned, this thread is not about.

                                My default Korora menu is clean, my default Windows is not. Not sure how it got cluttered, but mine isn't like that on either system that we run it on.

                                I do not call this clean. It is certainly less cluttered than the default Windows 10 Start menu, but it is far from clean.
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                                • coliverC
                                  coliver @JaredBusch
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                                  @JaredBusch said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                  @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                  @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                  Remember, this thread is ONLY about end users receiving working systems regardless of what hardware is used or what it is initially designed for. This is about users only. NOT about installations or IT use.

                                  But, lets say a user has both and is introduced to a Korora and Win10 system at the same time. It's equally easy to click on a task bar icon to launch the web browser. I don't see how either can be easier than the other.

                                  One is clean and clear. The other is cluttered, full of moving images and such. Windows 10 is way more intimidating. It's hard to figure out even what is installed vs. what is an ad.

                                  Yeah, the start menu is very cluttered on a default install and I can see it being intimidating to a new computer user. But, the have you ever hit the "start" button in Ubuntu or Korora? All kinds of stuff comes up and is also very cluttered with stuff. Both OSs can be equally cleaned up as part of the install process, which as you mentioned, this thread is not about.

                                  My default Korora menu is clean, my default Windows is not. Not sure how it got cluttered, but mine isn't like that on either system that we run it on.

                                  I do not call this clean. It is certainly less cluttered than the default Windows 10 Start menu, but it is far from clean.
                                  0_1497396906255_a341e45f-5bff-44d7-9b71-3bfacf9beaa3-image.png

                                  I agree. Like Windows 10 though Cinnamon has a truly fantastic search feature.

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403 @coliver
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                                    @coliver said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                    @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                    @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                    Remember, this thread is ONLY about end users receiving working systems regardless of what hardware is used or what it is initially designed for. This is about users only. NOT about installations or IT use.

                                    But, lets say a user has both and is introduced to a Korora and Win10 system at the same time. It's equally easy to click on a task bar icon to launch the web browser. I don't see how either can be easier than the other.

                                    One is clean and clear. The other is cluttered, full of moving images and such. Windows 10 is way more intimidating. It's hard to figure out even what is installed vs. what is an ad.

                                    Yeah, the start menu is very cluttered on a default install and I can see it being intimidating to a new computer user. But, the have you ever hit the "start" button in Ubuntu or Korora? All kinds of stuff comes up and is also very cluttered with stuff. Both OSs can be equally cleaned up as part of the install process, which as you mentioned, this thread is not about.

                                    My default Korora menu is clean, my default Windows is not. Not sure how it got cluttered, but mine isn't like that on either system that we run it on.

                                    I do not call this clean. It is certainly less cluttered than the default Windows 10 Start menu, but it is far from clean.
                                    0_1497396906255_a341e45f-5bff-44d7-9b71-3bfacf9beaa3-image.png

                                    I agree. Unlike Windows 10 though Cinnamon has a truly fantastic search feature.

                                    FTFY

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                                    • coliverC
                                      coliver @DustinB3403
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                                      @DustinB3403 said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                      @coliver said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                      @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                      @Tim_G said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                      Remember, this thread is ONLY about end users receiving working systems regardless of what hardware is used or what it is initially designed for. This is about users only. NOT about installations or IT use.

                                      But, lets say a user has both and is introduced to a Korora and Win10 system at the same time. It's equally easy to click on a task bar icon to launch the web browser. I don't see how either can be easier than the other.

                                      One is clean and clear. The other is cluttered, full of moving images and such. Windows 10 is way more intimidating. It's hard to figure out even what is installed vs. what is an ad.

                                      Yeah, the start menu is very cluttered on a default install and I can see it being intimidating to a new computer user. But, the have you ever hit the "start" button in Ubuntu or Korora? All kinds of stuff comes up and is also very cluttered with stuff. Both OSs can be equally cleaned up as part of the install process, which as you mentioned, this thread is not about.

                                      My default Korora menu is clean, my default Windows is not. Not sure how it got cluttered, but mine isn't like that on either system that we run it on.

                                      I do not call this clean. It is certainly less cluttered than the default Windows 10 Start menu, but it is far from clean.
                                      0_1497396906255_a341e45f-5bff-44d7-9b71-3bfacf9beaa3-image.png

                                      I agree. Unlike Windows 10 though Cinnamon has a truly fantastic search feature.

                                      FTFY

                                      Nah, I've found Windows 10 search to be phenomenal. I know others have had issues with it but I really haven't.

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403 @coliver
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                                        @coliver said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                        I've never had a great experience with it.

                                        It always tries to search online first for things that I know are on my local system. It irks me too. Like if I'm searching for Putty, it brings up an advert for it, rather than the local application!

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                                          coliver @DustinB3403
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                                          @DustinB3403 said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                          @coliver said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                          I've never had a great experience with it.

                                          It always tries to search online first for things that I know are on my local system. It irks me too. Like if I'm searching for Putty, it brings up an advert for it, rather than the local application!

                                          Others have said that as well. I haven't had that experience.

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                                            dafyre @coliver
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                                            @coliver said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                            @DustinB3403 said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                            @coliver said in Why Linux is Hard for Windows Users but Easy for Newbies:

                                            I've never had a great experience with it.

                                            It always tries to search online first for things that I know are on my local system. It irks me too. Like if I'm searching for Putty, it brings up an advert for it, rather than the local application!

                                            Others have said that as well. I haven't had that experience.

                                            I've had a mixed experience on Windows (even on Server 2012, mine wants to search online)... On Mint 18, I haven't noticed this issue.

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