You can't quit, you're fired!!
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@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@scottalanmiller said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@JaredBusch said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@BBigford said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
I put in my two weeks notice this last week. Mostly because I hated where I worked, absolutely toxic place. So I found new opportunity. I spent the last couple weeks helping out as much as I always have since they lost 2 other people for similar reasons. Those two people were trying to get out for some time.
Today I walked into a firing squad. I walked in and they walked me right back out. In tech, I get it. It's standard in the industry but a shitty thing to do. You're expected to give two weeks so they can get their affairs in order, but they don't do the same so you can get yours in order. I had a really nice email sitting in my drafts for my departure, waiting to be sent to some select people I really valued working with. I held off, because I was asked to keep quiet.
Cheers to bad experiences behind, and to the unknown in front.
They had better pay you for those 2 weeks, you're there and willing to work, they opt for you to not be there because of policy fine.
It's still a requirement that they pay fro your time.
Maybe. You submit your resignation and offer a transition time, they are under no obligation to accept that offer.
They have to accept your resignation, they can't force you to stay. But if they don't want you at the office, and you've given 2 weeks (at least in NY) you're entitled to that pay.
No. They can totally fire you. Otherwise you could put in long notice to avoid being fired.
If they are firing you after you've given your 2 week notice, you'd still be entitled to the pay for that period of time. (at least in NY)
I have never heard of that anywhere in the country. As Scott said, you can resign with a 12 month notice. And in your reality, the company is required to accept it and pay you for it.
This is completely ludicrous.
Now if you give 2 weeks and they terminate you prior to that two weeks, you are generally entitled to Unemployment benefits for the time from termination until the time of the original resignation.
Some states waiting periods and such make that so useless that there is not point in claiming.
You are entitled to all earned PTO and such. That has nothing to do with acceptance or not of the notice time of the resignaiton.
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You are both missing what I am saying.
You're leaving a job, you've provided 2 week notice (to work and help the company transition), the company then either has to have you at the office and be useful helping them to transition the company to a new person.
Or tell you thank you, but we'll pay your 2 week while you're "not working".
You're there and willing to work for the time, but they refuse to let you.
If they opt to fire you, it's still a "which came first" in employment court.
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@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@JaredBusch said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@BBigford said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
I put in my two weeks notice this last week. Mostly because I hated where I worked, absolutely toxic place. So I found new opportunity. I spent the last couple weeks helping out as much as I always have since they lost 2 other people for similar reasons. Those two people were trying to get out for some time.
Today I walked into a firing squad. I walked in and they walked me right back out. In tech, I get it. It's standard in the industry but a shitty thing to do. You're expected to give two weeks so they can get their affairs in order, but they don't do the same so you can get yours in order. I had a really nice email sitting in my drafts for my departure, waiting to be sent to some select people I really valued working with. I held off, because I was asked to keep quiet.
Cheers to bad experiences behind, and to the unknown in front.
They had better pay you for those 2 weeks, you're there and willing to work, they opt for you to not be there because of policy fine.
It's still a requirement that they pay fro your time.
Maybe. You submit your resignation and offer a transition time, they are under no obligation to accept that offer.
They have to accept your resignation, they can't force you to stay. But if they don't want you at the office, and you've given 2 weeks (at least in NY) you're entitled to that pay.
That's not the case in NY. They are under no obligation to continue to pay you for those two weeks if they don't want to.
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@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
If they opt to fire you, it's still a "which came first" in employment court.
I doubt this is the case and can't find anything to back it up. Unless you're doing contract work, NY is at at-will employment state meaning you can be let go for almost any reason at any time. Even after you've given your two weeks notice.
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@coliver said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@JaredBusch said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@BBigford said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
I put in my two weeks notice this last week. Mostly because I hated where I worked, absolutely toxic place. So I found new opportunity. I spent the last couple weeks helping out as much as I always have since they lost 2 other people for similar reasons. Those two people were trying to get out for some time.
Today I walked into a firing squad. I walked in and they walked me right back out. In tech, I get it. It's standard in the industry but a shitty thing to do. You're expected to give two weeks so they can get their affairs in order, but they don't do the same so you can get yours in order. I had a really nice email sitting in my drafts for my departure, waiting to be sent to some select people I really valued working with. I held off, because I was asked to keep quiet.
Cheers to bad experiences behind, and to the unknown in front.
They had better pay you for those 2 weeks, you're there and willing to work, they opt for you to not be there because of policy fine.
It's still a requirement that they pay fro your time.
Maybe. You submit your resignation and offer a transition time, they are under no obligation to accept that offer.
They have to accept your resignation, they can't force you to stay. But if they don't want you at the office, and you've given 2 weeks (at least in NY) you're entitled to that pay.
That's not the case in NY. They are under no obligation to continue to pay you for those two weeks if they don't want to.
Has anyone here recently read their employee rights sign?
If you are willing to work that transition period, they have to A fire you, which could go to court of two weeks of pay. Or B pay you to work that time and help transition things or C have to stay away from the office (and pay you).
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@coliver said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
If they opt to fire you, it's still a "which came first" in employment court.
I doubt this is the case and can't find anything to back it up. Unless you're doing contract work, NY is at at-will employment state meaning you can be let go for almost any reason at any time. Even after you've given your two weeks notice.
It is an At-Will state. Doesn't mean you aren't entitled to this.
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@DustinB3403 Find me a reference then. Everything I've seen points to the opposite. You are employed at the will of the company and can be terminated for almost any reason, or no reason. It doesn't matter if you've put in your two weeks notice or not. For reference here is the NYS Attorney General's list of Employee Rights.
https://ag.ny.gov/labor/your-rights-employee
No where does it say protection during a transitional period.
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This sounds very complicated. Haha I'll just clarify, I'm receiving pay for all time entitled plus PTO pay out.
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@BBigford cheers to your 5 day weekend and cheers to your new gig.
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@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@coliver said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
If they opt to fire you, it's still a "which came first" in employment court.
I doubt this is the case and can't find anything to back it up. Unless you're doing contract work, NY is at at-will employment state meaning you can be let go for almost any reason at any time. Even after you've given your two weeks notice.
It is an At-Will state. Doesn't mean you aren't entitled to this.
Right, but the lack of anything that says that you are entitled combined with many references that say you are not suggests that it does not.
This is a VERY standard thing to have happen and it's totally legal. And I'm pretty sure no state varies on this. Imagine the complications if it wasn't possible...
Otherwise you'd have people putting in their notice minutes before getting fired all of the time to guarantee more work time, especially as they'd go for longer periods.
You get called into the boss' office to get fired and you scream "I'm giving my five years' notice" and now magically you can't be fired. Doesn't work.
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@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@coliver said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@JaredBusch said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@BBigford said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
I put in my two weeks notice this last week. Mostly because I hated where I worked, absolutely toxic place. So I found new opportunity. I spent the last couple weeks helping out as much as I always have since they lost 2 other people for similar reasons. Those two people were trying to get out for some time.
Today I walked into a firing squad. I walked in and they walked me right back out. In tech, I get it. It's standard in the industry but a shitty thing to do. You're expected to give two weeks so they can get their affairs in order, but they don't do the same so you can get yours in order. I had a really nice email sitting in my drafts for my departure, waiting to be sent to some select people I really valued working with. I held off, because I was asked to keep quiet.
Cheers to bad experiences behind, and to the unknown in front.
They had better pay you for those 2 weeks, you're there and willing to work, they opt for you to not be there because of policy fine.
It's still a requirement that they pay fro your time.
Maybe. You submit your resignation and offer a transition time, they are under no obligation to accept that offer.
They have to accept your resignation, they can't force you to stay. But if they don't want you at the office, and you've given 2 weeks (at least in NY) you're entitled to that pay.
That's not the case in NY. They are under no obligation to continue to pay you for those two weeks if they don't want to.
Has anyone here recently read their employee rights sign?
If you are willing to work that transition period, they have to A fire you, which could go to court of two weeks of pay. Or B pay you to work that time and help transition things or C have to stay away from the office (and pay you).
What EXACTLY does the sign say about A? Yes, they can fire you. I feel like you added the bits that don't make sense about going to court and getting paid.
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@coliver said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 Find me a reference then. Everything I've seen points to the opposite. You are employed at the will of the company and can be terminated for almost any reason, or no reason. It doesn't matter if you've put in your two weeks notice or not. For reference here is the NYS Attorney General's list of Employee Rights.
https://ag.ny.gov/labor/your-rights-employee
No where does it say protection during a transitional period.
Also in an at-will state here. You are paid for the hours worked, if your employer let's you go, they have to pay you for every minute up until that point, but once you are fired, quit or other wise not working, your pay ends. If there is another contract outside of that, that may be the case, but nothing exists on state labor laws. Typically, you only give your 2 week notice so when you use the place you worked on your resume they will mark you available for rehire, and give a positive review. If you bail with no notice they won't mark you for rehire, then using them as a reference can be difficult.
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@s.hackleman said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@coliver said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 Find me a reference then. Everything I've seen points to the opposite. You are employed at the will of the company and can be terminated for almost any reason, or no reason. It doesn't matter if you've put in your two weeks notice or not. For reference here is the NYS Attorney General's list of Employee Rights.
https://ag.ny.gov/labor/your-rights-employee
No where does it say protection during a transitional period.
Also in an at-will state here. You are paid for the hours worked, if your employer let's you go, they have to pay you for every minute up until that point, but once you are fired, quit or other wise not working, your pay ends. If there is another contract outside of that, that may be the case, but nothing exists on state labor laws. Typically, you only give your 2 week notice so when you use the place you worked on your resume they will mark you available for rehire, and give a positive review. If you bail with no notice they won't mark you for rehire, then using them as a reference can be difficult.
Yeah, ALL of the power comes down to things like unemployment costs and claims with references. You say they fired you for putting in notice, they can't legally deny it. They want to say you quit, you can prove that you didn't. You want to claim unemployment, they have no way to stop it because they fired you. They want you back, you can negotiate anything that you want, you have no obligations at all. Firing you puts most of the power in your hands. Other than stopping you from riding out two weeks, you get all the cards. They also make it public that they don't accept notice, so other employees have no professional obligation to give notice either. It's now a free for all for others to quit simply by calling in on the morning that they start their next job. That's not something an employer wants happening.
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@scottalanmiller said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@s.hackleman said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@coliver said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 Find me a reference then. Everything I've seen points to the opposite. You are employed at the will of the company and can be terminated for almost any reason, or no reason. It doesn't matter if you've put in your two weeks notice or not. For reference here is the NYS Attorney General's list of Employee Rights.
https://ag.ny.gov/labor/your-rights-employee
No where does it say protection during a transitional period.
Also in an at-will state here. You are paid for the hours worked, if your employer let's you go, they have to pay you for every minute up until that point, but once you are fired, quit or other wise not working, your pay ends. If there is another contract outside of that, that may be the case, but nothing exists on state labor laws. Typically, you only give your 2 week notice so when you use the place you worked on your resume they will mark you available for rehire, and give a positive review. If you bail with no notice they won't mark you for rehire, then using them as a reference can be difficult.
Yeah, ALL of the power comes down to things like unemployment costs and claims with references. You say they fired you for putting in notice, they can't legally deny it. They want to say you quit, you can prove that you didn't. You want to claim unemployment, they have no way to stop it because they fired you. They want you back, you can negotiate anything that you want, you have no obligations at all. Firing you puts most of the power in your hands. Other than stopping you from riding out two weeks, you get all the cards. They also make it public that they don't accept notice, so other employees have no professional obligation to give notice either. It's now a free for all for others to quit simply by calling in on the morning that they start their next job. That's not something an employer wants happening.
This is also when you fire people you pay a severance so employees don't get paranoid and jump ship to avoid cashflow issues if they THINK they might get let go in a RIF. Companies that just "throw people out" and stop paying them are more likely to see employees do the same.
If an employees regularly fires people without putting them on a performance improvement plan, giving warnings, and pays no severance people are going to be much more aggressively always looking for their next job.
I've heard of us giving 3 months pay and medical insurance as severance. That means if we have a down quarter people are less likely to run for the exits and more likely to come back if they can find another role.
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@scottalanmiller said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
want you at the office, and you've given 2 weeks (at least in NY) you're entitled to that pay.
No. They can totally fire you. Otherwise you could put in long notice to avoid being fired
If they fire you can claim unemployment. This raises/spikes their insurance costs though so smart companies go to GREAT lengths to not fire people.
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@John-Nicholson said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@scottalanmiller said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
want you at the office, and you've given 2 weeks (at least in NY) you're entitled to that pay.
No. They can totally fire you. Otherwise you could put in long notice to avoid being fired
If they fire you can claim unemployment. This raises/spikes their insurance costs though so smart companies go to GREAT lengths to not fire people.
Ya and the unemployment tax rates go up (possibly) as well.
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And once you have employees empowered to just walk out or no-show when they are done, you risk having no warning and losing loads of staff all at once. Which could happen by chance, could be coordinated or have a snowball effect.
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I'm pretty sure that they are free to fire you. It comes with the obvious risks, but I've never heard of someone not being able to be fired unless they had a contract that stated otherwise.
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Be the bigger man, which is what it sounds like you're doing. It was cool that you still sent something nice to your contacts from your personal account. Boomerang relationships can be important when you look at your career in the long game. There are probably people in the company that were surprised about your sudden departure as well. By communicating with them they will have an opportunity to reach out to you as well.
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@Mike-Davis and they get to find out that he was walked out and fired for having given notice.
