Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median
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I am not close either. But i also dont work for Amazon or Microsoft, the two largest IT employers in WA, and who give money away like it was going out of style.
Maybe you should then!
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
Still... not bad for someone without high level certs (CCNA, MS, redhat, etc) and no degree.
No Cisco or RH certs here. I DO have old MS certs, but no certs on my resume. And no degree... well none on my resume. So for all intents and purposes, no certs and no degrees.
You do realize that you are the exception and not the rule, right?
How many people do you see trying it, though?
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P.S. Are you guys comparing your exact position or just the IT median for your state?
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
Still... not bad for someone without high level certs (CCNA, MS, redhat, etc) and no degree.
No Cisco or RH certs here. I DO have old MS certs, but no certs on my resume. And no degree... well none on my resume. So for all intents and purposes, no certs and no degrees.
You do realize that you are the exception and not the rule, right?
How many people do you see trying it, though?
All I'm saying is that for the uncertified, undegreed masses without the notoriety attached to your name, it's more of a struggle than you've encountered in 2 decades.
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No degree here. I think at this point, there isn't much an incentive for me to get one.
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The median for my state is lower than the my position pay for my state. Luckily I slightly exceed the median for my position.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
Still... not bad for someone without high level certs (CCNA, MS, redhat, etc) and no degree.
No Cisco or RH certs here. I DO have old MS certs, but no certs on my resume. And no degree... well none on my resume. So for all intents and purposes, no certs and no degrees.
You do realize that you are the exception and not the rule, right?
How many people do you see trying it, though?
All I'm saying is that for the uncertified, undegreed masses without the notoriety attached to your name, it's more of a struggle than you've encountered in 2 decades.
But I did all of my career without the notoriety. So that isn't a factor. Sure now, things are different. But jump from six figures to seven was because of my name. But getting to six figures was not. I had no degree (at all, at that point) and no relevant certs and it never was an issue for my entire career, job after job. And I did a lot of jobs. Never once have I had it be a factor and I was in IT a long time before being famous and have only ever looked for work once since having some fame.
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No but I also don't expect to
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
No but I also don't expect to
why not?
I am always hired for job x which I am qualified for and then given responsibilities y which i am not qualified for
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
No but I also don't expect to
why not?
I am always hired for job x which I am qualified for and then given responsibilities y which i am not qualified for
Because you allow it
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
No but I also don't expect to
why not?
I am always hired for job x which I am qualified for and then given responsibilities y which i am not qualified for
That's something you can change.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
No but I also don't expect to
why not?
I am always hired for job x which I am qualified for and then given responsibilities y which i am not qualified for
Because you allow it
I have stood up for myself and others in previous jobs and been punished harshly for it. I'm kind of done doing that unless it is extreme. All I really did was force us to save longer for a house.
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@scottalanmiller I know people who work there. The people who work at amazon and ms work way too much. Mandatory Sunday morning meetings and ish like that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
Still... not bad for someone without high level certs (CCNA, MS, redhat, etc) and no degree.
No Cisco or RH certs here. I DO have old MS certs, but no certs on my resume. And no degree... well none on my resume. So for all intents and purposes, no certs and no degrees.
You do realize that you are the exception and not the rule, right?
How many people do you see trying it, though?
All I'm saying is that for the uncertified, undegreed masses without the notoriety attached to your name, it's more of a struggle than you've encountered in 2 decades.
But I did all of my career without the notoriety. So that isn't a factor. Sure now, things are different. But jump from six figures to seven was because of my name. But getting to six figures was not. I had no degree (at all, at that point) and no relevant certs and it never was an issue for my entire career, job after job. And I did a lot of jobs. Never once have I had it be a factor and I was in IT a long time before being famous and have only ever looked for work once since having some fame.
I'd wager that you are underestimating how early your name got you in the door. Either way, I don't feel like your particular path from beginning to now is in any way applicable to what most people experience.... ergo my earlier statement "you are the exception, not the rule". Your path to success is an exception to what most people are able to do.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
Still... not bad for someone without high level certs (CCNA, MS, redhat, etc) and no degree.
No Cisco or RH certs here. I DO have old MS certs, but no certs on my resume. And no degree... well none on my resume. So for all intents and purposes, no certs and no degrees.
You do realize that you are the exception and not the rule, right?
How many people do you see trying it, though?
All I'm saying is that for the uncertified, undegreed masses without the notoriety attached to your name, it's more of a struggle than you've encountered in 2 decades.
But I did all of my career without the notoriety. So that isn't a factor. Sure now, things are different. But jump from six figures to seven was because of my name. But getting to six figures was not. I had no degree (at all, at that point) and no relevant certs and it never was an issue for my entire career, job after job. And I did a lot of jobs. Never once have I had it be a factor and I was in IT a long time before being famous and have only ever looked for work once since having some fame.
I'd wager that you are underestimating how early your name got you in the door.
Where do you feel that my name came from in those days?
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Either way, I don't feel like your particular path from beginning to now is in any way applicable to what most people experience.... ergo my earlier statement "you are the exception, not the rule". Your path to success is an exception to what most people are able to do.
I don't believe that I did anything that most people can't do. Just something that most don't do. If, for example, you go to college instead of studying IT, you have diverged from my path (and my recommended path.) If you wait till you are twenty to start on that path, you've diverged heavily already. If you just stick to your first jobs for a few years, diverged again.
It's not hard to start early, change jobs for opportunities often or study in your spare time. It's just that very few people decide to do that. Nothing wrong with that, but it is important to understand that the path that I took was not special in a "only a few people can do it" way, only that it was special in a "very few people will do it" way. And often the only reason that people don't do it is because they claim that they don't believe me or feel that my experience was somehow special.
But I can tell you, random guy that I worked at a grocery store with decided to do the same thing as me, same time. He was younger and had a little less background that I did. We studied together, contracted together, did all the shit jobs together. He had no degree, very few certs and none that applied to what he did. But he's a "name your price" consultant in Austin. Sure, he lagged a few years behind me on salary, but we were always close. He had no background similar to mine - different high schools, different families completely, different cultural background... but he followed my "hey let's get into IT this way" and he was making $200K in his 20s no problem.
