Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
Still... not bad for someone without high level certs (CCNA, MS, redhat, etc) and no degree.
No Cisco or RH certs here. I DO have old MS certs, but no certs on my resume. And no degree... well none on my resume. So for all intents and purposes, no certs and no degrees.
You do realize that you are the exception and not the rule, right?
How many people do you see trying it, though?
All I'm saying is that for the uncertified, undegreed masses without the notoriety attached to your name, it's more of a struggle than you've encountered in 2 decades.
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No degree here. I think at this point, there isn't much an incentive for me to get one.
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The median for my state is lower than the my position pay for my state. Luckily I slightly exceed the median for my position.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
Still... not bad for someone without high level certs (CCNA, MS, redhat, etc) and no degree.
No Cisco or RH certs here. I DO have old MS certs, but no certs on my resume. And no degree... well none on my resume. So for all intents and purposes, no certs and no degrees.
You do realize that you are the exception and not the rule, right?
How many people do you see trying it, though?
All I'm saying is that for the uncertified, undegreed masses without the notoriety attached to your name, it's more of a struggle than you've encountered in 2 decades.
But I did all of my career without the notoriety. So that isn't a factor. Sure now, things are different. But jump from six figures to seven was because of my name. But getting to six figures was not. I had no degree (at all, at that point) and no relevant certs and it never was an issue for my entire career, job after job. And I did a lot of jobs. Never once have I had it be a factor and I was in IT a long time before being famous and have only ever looked for work once since having some fame.
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No but I also don't expect to
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
No but I also don't expect to
why not?
I am always hired for job x which I am qualified for and then given responsibilities y which i am not qualified for
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
No but I also don't expect to
why not?
I am always hired for job x which I am qualified for and then given responsibilities y which i am not qualified for
Because you allow it
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
No but I also don't expect to
why not?
I am always hired for job x which I am qualified for and then given responsibilities y which i am not qualified for
That's something you can change.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
No but I also don't expect to
why not?
I am always hired for job x which I am qualified for and then given responsibilities y which i am not qualified for
Because you allow it
I have stood up for myself and others in previous jobs and been punished harshly for it. I'm kind of done doing that unless it is extreme. All I really did was force us to save longer for a house.
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@scottalanmiller I know people who work there. The people who work at amazon and ms work way too much. Mandatory Sunday morning meetings and ish like that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
Still... not bad for someone without high level certs (CCNA, MS, redhat, etc) and no degree.
No Cisco or RH certs here. I DO have old MS certs, but no certs on my resume. And no degree... well none on my resume. So for all intents and purposes, no certs and no degrees.
You do realize that you are the exception and not the rule, right?
How many people do you see trying it, though?
All I'm saying is that for the uncertified, undegreed masses without the notoriety attached to your name, it's more of a struggle than you've encountered in 2 decades.
But I did all of my career without the notoriety. So that isn't a factor. Sure now, things are different. But jump from six figures to seven was because of my name. But getting to six figures was not. I had no degree (at all, at that point) and no relevant certs and it never was an issue for my entire career, job after job. And I did a lot of jobs. Never once have I had it be a factor and I was in IT a long time before being famous and have only ever looked for work once since having some fame.
I'd wager that you are underestimating how early your name got you in the door. Either way, I don't feel like your particular path from beginning to now is in any way applicable to what most people experience.... ergo my earlier statement "you are the exception, not the rule". Your path to success is an exception to what most people are able to do.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
Still... not bad for someone without high level certs (CCNA, MS, redhat, etc) and no degree.
No Cisco or RH certs here. I DO have old MS certs, but no certs on my resume. And no degree... well none on my resume. So for all intents and purposes, no certs and no degrees.
You do realize that you are the exception and not the rule, right?
How many people do you see trying it, though?
All I'm saying is that for the uncertified, undegreed masses without the notoriety attached to your name, it's more of a struggle than you've encountered in 2 decades.
But I did all of my career without the notoriety. So that isn't a factor. Sure now, things are different. But jump from six figures to seven was because of my name. But getting to six figures was not. I had no degree (at all, at that point) and no relevant certs and it never was an issue for my entire career, job after job. And I did a lot of jobs. Never once have I had it be a factor and I was in IT a long time before being famous and have only ever looked for work once since having some fame.
I'd wager that you are underestimating how early your name got you in the door.
Where do you feel that my name came from in those days?
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Either way, I don't feel like your particular path from beginning to now is in any way applicable to what most people experience.... ergo my earlier statement "you are the exception, not the rule". Your path to success is an exception to what most people are able to do.
I don't believe that I did anything that most people can't do. Just something that most don't do. If, for example, you go to college instead of studying IT, you have diverged from my path (and my recommended path.) If you wait till you are twenty to start on that path, you've diverged heavily already. If you just stick to your first jobs for a few years, diverged again.
It's not hard to start early, change jobs for opportunities often or study in your spare time. It's just that very few people decide to do that. Nothing wrong with that, but it is important to understand that the path that I took was not special in a "only a few people can do it" way, only that it was special in a "very few people will do it" way. And often the only reason that people don't do it is because they claim that they don't believe me or feel that my experience was somehow special.
But I can tell you, random guy that I worked at a grocery store with decided to do the same thing as me, same time. He was younger and had a little less background that I did. We studied together, contracted together, did all the shit jobs together. He had no degree, very few certs and none that applied to what he did. But he's a "name your price" consultant in Austin. Sure, he lagged a few years behind me on salary, but we were always close. He had no background similar to mine - different high schools, different families completely, different cultural background... but he followed my "hey let's get into IT this way" and he was making $200K in his 20s no problem.
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Remember that I was a career counselor for IBM and Lockheed. I've put a LOT of time and effort into thinking about how people get into their careers, what helps them to advance and so forth. This isn't something that just kind of "happened", I've focused heavily on the science behind career development for much of my career. I help people all the time and show them paths to very high likelihood career success, but almost all have someone tell them that it "won't work for them" and they decide that that is true and stop. That's the biggest problem I've seen with these paths, if you don't have the support to keep you from giving up because family, friends, even peers, tell you that it doesn't work then the chances that you will just give up are very high.
I was lucky, I did my early career with @andyw and we were always there to support each other. That made a huge difference. It was like having ML around, but there were just two of us. But there was always someone to talk about work, bounce ideas off of, kick around career stuff, push each other to answer things like "how did you improve your resume today." When we felt like our careers sucked and were going nowhere, when we got scammed on jobs or whatever we had someone there to be supportive. That mattered so much.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
How is an employer supposed to know whether a person can do the job or not?
That's the job of an employer. Hire someone that knows what they are doing, or teach someone to do it. If you can do neither, you have no business hiring that position. That's what outsourcing is for.
Ask this about any non-IT position. What if you can't figure out what a good manager, HR, finance or anything else is. What do you do? You hire a firm that does that, you would never just hire random people claiming to have those skills at the lowest price and hope for the best.
If I have to turn down every job that I think I may not be qualified for I'd be unemployed. I have no particular strengths, only preferences.
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@irj posted this but because of the fork, it go lost. So posting it back for him.....
@IRJ said in Are IT Pros to Blame for Low Wages:
I was talking with one of the top posters on SW, a really good and knowledgeable guy, one day. I was surprised to find out how little he was making at his job, while we was literally solving problem after problem each day for others.
I am not talking about @scottalanmiller , but somebody else that posts alot like he does. It was really shocking to me.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
If I have to turn down every job that I think I may not be qualified for I'd be unemployed. I have no particular strengths, only preferences.
That's because you have a tendency towards the impostor problem. Most SMB shops don't anything that you don't have. Especially if not putting you in the manager hot seat.
