I've lost all hope in Education.
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@Breffni-Potter Going way back to the original topic. Took you long enough! I was thinking this while going through physical torture (public speaking) to get my 2 year degree.
I'm still bad at speaking in public. Get super nervous, heart rate goes crazy, can't think without my notes, but even with all that, it's still a lot better than what I was like before.
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@travisdh1 said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Breffni-Potter Going way back to the original topic. Took you long enough! I was thinking this while going through physical torture (public speaking) to get my 2 year degree.
I'm still bad at speaking in public. Get super nervous, heart rate goes crazy, can't think without my notes, but even with all that, it's still a lot better than what I was like before.
How would you rank your performance at MangoCon?
I thought you seemed calm.
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Public speaking is difficult, I have trouble from time to time with it as well (and still try to avoid it, just something I don't practice enough / or have the opportunity)
What I was taught was public speak to 2 or 3 people in the room, focus on them. Use the presidential approach.
Left center and right sides of the room (and to an individual) always picking the same person.
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@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
Oh, I figured he was going to drop out again if the school was going to try to force him to retake the core classes he took before. Yeah, if the classes are meanlingless, and you won't get the degree, so you won't get the raise, why waste the time?
He said that he was going to take the classes regardless, and just not get the degree. At least that was my understanding.
What would be the point in that? you aren't getting the raise without the piece of paper.. seems like a waste.
And that was my whole point
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@BRRABill said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@travisdh1 said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Breffni-Potter Going way back to the original topic. Took you long enough! I was thinking this while going through physical torture (public speaking) to get my 2 year degree.
I'm still bad at speaking in public. Get super nervous, heart rate goes crazy, can't think without my notes, but even with all that, it's still a lot better than what I was like before.
How would you rank your performance at MangoCon?
I thought you seemed calm.
Good acting!
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I think college is a great opportunity to meet new people and get great experience nevertheless it's expensive
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@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
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@Murtlap said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
I think college is a great opportunity to meet new people and get great experience nevertheless it's expensive
That's true. But do you tend to meet more people than you would normally meet at that time in your life anyway? That would be an interesting study. I definitely met lots of people during my college years (and there were a lot of them), but the number that I kept in contact with is nearly zero. But people I met outside of college around the same age was just as many, but those I've kept in contact with better (many times because they were more ambitious, successful, educated, etc.) I wonder if a study was done of people at college level side by side, during the same life time frame, which tends to actually meet more people and which people met is more significant.
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@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
Colleges do have a time limit on the valid time of credits if there is a break between when you took them and when you try to finish. For example, if you haven't taken a class with them in 15 years, they might have expired all of your credits.
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@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
Right, then you said that you were going to school regardless. Put those facts together and it means that you are going to school and paying for the remaining classes regardless of if you can get a degree or not.
In NY for sure, there is no way you'd be able to get a degree that way. Even my wife, just like five or six years out of school, having gotten a full degree from the same university was unable to apply her expired gen ed credits to a second degree.
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@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
Colleges do have a time limit on the valid time of credits if there is a break between when you took them and when you try to finish. For example, if you haven't taken a class with them in 15 years, they might have expired all of your credits.
In which case, I will happily find other ways to get pay raises... which usually equates to another job change.
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@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
Colleges do have a time limit on the valid time of credits if there is a break between when you took them and when you try to finish. For example, if you haven't taken a class with them in 15 years, they might have expired all of your credits.
Normally it is a fraction of that. RIT is seven years. SUNY is like five.
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@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
Colleges do have a time limit on the valid time of credits if there is a break between when you took them and when you try to finish. For example, if you haven't taken a class with them in 15 years, they might have expired all of your credits.
Normally it is a fraction of that. RIT is seven years. SUNY is like five.
I'm still going to check on it and see. But it is likely that you guys are right.
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@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
Colleges do have a time limit on the valid time of credits if there is a break between when you took them and when you try to finish. For example, if you haven't taken a class with them in 15 years, they might have expired all of your credits.
Normally it is a fraction of that. RIT is seven years. SUNY is like five.
I'm still going to check on it and see. But it is likely that you guys are right.
So..... the assumption is that the most likely case, 51% at least, is that you are going back to college, and not getting a degree since you won't retake those classes.
That's what prompted me to wonder what the goal was and to be surprised that your job would pay more for not getting a degree.
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@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@Dashrender said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
As someone who is considering going back to college just to complete my AA (to start), I've also been down the road on this... Some folks are telling me that since it has been so long since I did my core classes (english, psych, science, etc) that I may have to take them again.
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
Why bother with the non-degree, then? Since college is anti-education, what's the upside without the sheepskin?
Well, in my case, it'd equate to a 5k to 10k/year pay raise at my current job. If I take it using the financial aid available to staff, then I'm only out my time and books... It makes it insanely cheap for me to get the last few classes I need... So I see it as a win. That's the only reason I'd go back for it is a pay raise.
How does it become a raise? Just taking classes gives you a raise? Any classes? ANy number of them?
Sadly I've seen companies like this. No degree today, but you get one tomorrow and you get a raise for no other reason than you now have a degree... really lame!
No, THAT I would understand. He had said that he was going to refuse to take the classes necessary to get the degree granted, so was just going to take the pointless tech classes. That's why I was confused. While I don't agree with raises for degrees, I understand that it happens. That it was not going on here is what confused me.
No, I said that I would not start from scratch. I've already paid for and taken my core classes (the english, literature, science, math, etc...). I said I wouldn't go back and pay (again) to take those. The reason I say that is I have family members that seem to think that because I took the classes so long ago (17 years ago, lol), I won't get to keep those credits.
I'm in the process of getting all my info together so I can find out.
Colleges do have a time limit on the valid time of credits if there is a break between when you took them and when you try to finish. For example, if you haven't taken a class with them in 15 years, they might have expired all of your credits.
Normally it is a fraction of that. RIT is seven years. SUNY is like five.
I'm still going to check on it and see. But it is likely that you guys are right.
So..... the assumption is that the most likely case, 51% at least, is that you are going back to college, and not getting a degree since you won't retake those classes.
That's what prompted me to wonder what the goal was and to be surprised that your job would pay more for not getting a degree.
No... that is 51% most likely that I won't be taking any classes at all. I have to get an AA DEGREE to get the raise. I will not be subjected to the core classes again, not when I have already paid for and passed them.
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@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
I read this as "but are going back to school anyway", but I guess that I read into that incorrectly.
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@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
I read this as "but are going back to school anyway", but I guess that I read into that incorrectly.
Just a little.
I'm one of those guys that if I've already done something, I'm not going to do it again just to get the paper that says I can do it. Not when I've already got experience to prove it.Edit: I'm talking about just my core classes. How often is 1+1 going to change? or the Pythagorean theorem? Or the way we conjugate verbs?
For all you Grammar nazi's around... Take this: Theiyr're.
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@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
I read this as "but are going back to school anyway", but I guess that I read into that incorrectly.
Just a little.
I'm one of those guys that if I've already done something, I'm not going to do it again just to get the paper that says I can do it. Not when I've already got experience to prove it.In a way, one could say that that should rule out ALL college for you. Having worked in IT, you've done this all already. The whole process is doing it "again to get the paper".
And the same could be said for a graduate degree. My master's work was just a simpler copy of my undergrad work.
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@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
Edit: I'm talking about just my core classes. How often is 1+1 going to change? or the Pythagorean theorem? Or the way we conjugate verbs?
So take different gen ed classes (core refers to your IT classes normally, gen ed to the non-IT ones, normally.) If you've taken the gen eds and still know the material, take the next level or different classes so that it continues to be useful.
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@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@scottalanmiller said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
@dafyre said in I've lost all hope in Education.:
My response to that is: Nope. I took them already, and I simply refuse to take them again, even if that means I won't get the degree.
I read this as "but are going back to school anyway", but I guess that I read into that incorrectly.
Just a little.
I'm one of those guys that if I've already done something, I'm not going to do it again just to get the paper that says I can do it. Not when I've already got experience to prove it.In a way, one could say that that should rule out ALL college for you. Having worked in IT, you've done this all already. The whole process is doing it "again to get the paper".
And the same could be said for a graduate degree. My master's work was just a simpler copy of my undergrad work.
There's a difference between spending [essentially] nothing (but my time) and getting a pay raise vs having to pay for it all over again (in my personal time, not money, necessarily).
The college I work at gives employees a scholarship to help pay for classes. Since I'm already living in town, that would pretty much cover the tuition for the courses. I could have my AA degree in a couple of semesters, I think.
I'm still in the plotting and planning stage right now.
