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    • MattSpellerM
      MattSpeller
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      Hard reset involves a car, a can of sardines, two people of short stature, fishing line, a coffee can (empty), bottle of cheap vodka and two hours.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

        There's no winning here - it's just a look at what people call it.

        I'm with Danielle - a hard reset is a wipe and reload of the device to factory settings.

        A soft reset is just a reboot, however you have to accomplish it....

        Soft reset is definitely a reboot.

        Factory reset takes it back to factory.

        If you use hard reset to mean factory reset, what do you call an actual hard reset? You are missing a term.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

          @Dashrender said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

          There's no winning here - it's just a look at what people call it.

          I'm with Danielle - a hard reset is a wipe and reload of the device to factory settings.

          A soft reset is just a reboot, however you have to accomplish it....

          Soft reset is definitely a reboot.

          Factory reset takes it back to factory.

          If you use hard reset to mean factory reset, what do you call an actual hard reset? You are missing a term.

          I call it a reboot - doesn't matter that you're forcing it, it's still a reboot. - and actually it's not even that. It's Power down and Power up.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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            @Dashrender said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

            @scottalanmiller said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

            @Dashrender said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

            There's no winning here - it's just a look at what people call it.

            I'm with Danielle - a hard reset is a wipe and reload of the device to factory settings.

            A soft reset is just a reboot, however you have to accomplish it....

            Soft reset is definitely a reboot.

            Factory reset takes it back to factory.

            If you use hard reset to mean factory reset, what do you call an actual hard reset? You are missing a term.

            I call it a reboot - doesn't matter that you're forcing it, it's still a reboot. - and actually it's not even that. It's Power down and Power up.

            It IS a reboot. The discussion is about what kind of reboot - soft or hard. Bench people have to know which they are doing. They are both reboots.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
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              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reboot_(computing)

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              • Minion QueenM
                Minion Queen
                last edited by

                But cell phones in particular do not have a HARD reboot. Only a reset....

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                • JaredBuschJ
                  JaredBusch @Minion Queen
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                  @Minion-Queen said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                  But cell phones in particular do not have a HARD reboot. Only a reset....

                  On iPhone hold home and the lock button (pre iphone 7) to do so. No idea how it works on iPhone 7 yet.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @Minion Queen
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                    @Minion-Queen said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                    But cell phones in particular do not have a HARD reboot. Only a reset....

                    yeah - JB tried logicing me on Telegram about the hard reset coming from the ancient PC days when they had actual power switches, flipping is physically removed power from the system, aka a hard power down.

                    I agree with Minion-Queen, short of removing the battery, phones don't have this option.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender
                      last edited by

                      factory reset wasn't really a thing with PCs until Apple did it with the Macs (no clue when they added that - boot to BIOS with enough information to get the NIC on the internet and redownload the image for the system).

                      Windows still doesn't have this option.

                      Windows does include a 'restore to original' option, but I don't think it's really as clean as a phone is. In other words, if I get a virus, I'm still wiping the Windows machine and reinstalling from external media, but with a phone, a factory reset, generally I haven't been concerned that a virus could survive that (but now it seems that some can).

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                      • travisdh1T
                        travisdh1 @Minion Queen
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                        @Minion-Queen said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                        But cell phones in particular do not have a HARD reboot. Only a reset....

                        Do iPhones not have a hard reset option? Every Android phone I've used has some option to do a hard reset in order to access the boot loader (of course, being me, I don't buy phones without that option.)

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @travisdh1
                          last edited by Dashrender

                          @travisdh1 said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                          @Minion-Queen said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                          But cell phones in particular do not have a HARD reboot. Only a reset....

                          Do iPhones not have a hard reset option? Every Android phone I've used has some option to do a hard reset in order to access the boot loader (of course, being me, I don't buy phones without that option.)

                          How is accessing the boot loader a hard reset? You have to cut power from the phone to get it to present the boot loader to you?

                          Holding down the power and volume down buttons while power on is not the same as a hard reset, or even as a reboot.

                          yes, I'm getting a little punchie now 🙂

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                          • travisdh1T
                            travisdh1 @Dashrender
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                            @Dashrender said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                            @travisdh1 said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                            @Minion-Queen said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                            But cell phones in particular do not have a HARD reboot. Only a reset....

                            Do iPhones not have a hard reset option? Every Android phone I've used has some option to do a hard reset in order to access the boot loader (of course, being me, I don't buy phones without that option.)

                            How is accessing the boot loader a hard reset? You have to cut power from the phone to get it to present the boot loader to you?

                            Holding down the power and volume down buttons while power on is not the same as a hard reset, or even as a reboot.

                            yes, I'm getting a little punchie now 🙂

                            Ok, granted. I AM on my first phone where the battery isn't removable tho. I actually need to get it's replacement put in.

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                            • travisdh1T
                              travisdh1 @Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              @Dashrender said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                              @Minion-Queen said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                              But cell phones in particular do not have a HARD reboot. Only a reset....

                              yeah - JB tried logicing me on Telegram about the hard reset coming from the ancient PC days when they had actual power switches, flipping is physically removed power from the system, aka a hard power down.

                              I agree with Minion-Queen, short of removing the battery, phones don't have this option.

                              So remove the battery!

                              Granted an ithing most likely has glue in it that makes this very, very difficult. I need to pop the back off my Nexus5 and replace the battery, so it's always possible, just not really feasible with some phones.

                              Terminology remains the same, it doesn't change depending on weather it's possible for a device or not!

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @travisdh1
                                last edited by

                                @travisdh1 said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                                @Dashrender said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                                @Minion-Queen said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                                But cell phones in particular do not have a HARD reboot. Only a reset....

                                yeah - JB tried logicing me on Telegram about the hard reset coming from the ancient PC days when they had actual power switches, flipping is physically removed power from the system, aka a hard power down.

                                I agree with Minion-Queen, short of removing the battery, phones don't have this option.

                                So remove the battery!

                                Granted an ithing most likely has glue in it that makes this very, very difficult. I need to pop the back off my Nexus5 and replace the battery, so it's always possible, just not really feasible with some phones.

                                Terminology remains the same, it doesn't change depending on weather it's possible for a device or not!

                                You can't remove the battery from an iPhone or the Nexus 6P - this isn't considered an option.

                                So according to all of these guys above, the term hard reset is dead on any phone you can't remove the battery from.

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                                • JaredBuschJ
                                  JaredBusch @Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  @Dashrender said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                                  @travisdh1 said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                                  @Dashrender said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                                  @Minion-Queen said in Hard reset - what does it mean to you?:

                                  But cell phones in particular do not have a HARD reboot. Only a reset....

                                  yeah - JB tried logicing me on Telegram about the hard reset coming from the ancient PC days when they had actual power switches, flipping is physically removed power from the system, aka a hard power down.

                                  I agree with Minion-Queen, short of removing the battery, phones don't have this option.

                                  So remove the battery!

                                  Granted an ithing most likely has glue in it that makes this very, very difficult. I need to pop the back off my Nexus5 and replace the battery, so it's always possible, just not really feasible with some phones.

                                  Terminology remains the same, it doesn't change depending on weather it's possible for a device or not!

                                  You can't remove the battery from an iPhone or the Nexus 6P - this isn't considered an option.

                                  So according to all of these guys above, the term hard reset is dead on any phone you can't remove the battery from.

                                  You apparently have reading comprehension issues this afternoon.

                                  the iPhone has a hard reset functionality built in. Holding down Home and Power for ~10 seconds will cause it to perform a hard power cycle reset.

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                                  • BRRABillB
                                    BRRABill
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                                    Right, doing what @JaredBusch says on the iPhone is like unplugging the battery, if you could.

                                    Like holding in the power button on a PC/server.

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