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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

      @BBigford said in Hyper-V homework question:

      @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

      @BBigford said in Hyper-V homework question:

      @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

      Does the physical hosts' NIC get added to the switch?

      As a NIC team, yes.

      But does the physical VM ever get adding back to the switch?

      I guess I don't understand the question as VMs are taken out of the equation... it's the physical host (the workstation I'm sitting at in this case) that loses all connectivity to the external network/Internet.

      Hyper-V is a type 1 hypervisor. Bare metal. There can't be any other code on the bare metal. Your "physical host" is a VM.

      Do recall correctly, the OPs first VM is Dom0?

      @BBigford what @coliver is saying makes sense, you don't want teaming inside the Dom0, you want teaming inside Hyper-V which has to be done (I'm assuming) as he suggests inside Hyper-v Manager, not inside Dom0. It's confusing because it seems like that first install is what is controlling the box, but it really isn't any more once you install Hyper-V role.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
        last edited by

        @Dashrender said in Hyper-V homework question:

        @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

        @BBigford said in Hyper-V homework question:

        @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

        @BBigford said in Hyper-V homework question:

        @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

        Does the physical hosts' NIC get added to the switch?

        As a NIC team, yes.

        But does the physical VM ever get adding back to the switch?

        I guess I don't understand the question as VMs are taken out of the equation... it's the physical host (the workstation I'm sitting at in this case) that loses all connectivity to the external network/Internet.

        Hyper-V is a type 1 hypervisor. Bare metal. There can't be any other code on the bare metal. Your "physical host" is a VM.

        Do recall correctly, the OPs first VM is Dom0?

        Dom0 is what we call it in the Xen world. Microsoft, in their infinite desire to make Hyper-V hard, calls it the "Physical" VM. The dumbest name ever. But same thing, potato, poe-tah-toe.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
          last edited by

          @Dashrender said in Hyper-V homework question:

          @BBigford what @coliver is saying makes sense, you don't want teaming inside the Dom0, you want teaming inside Hyper-V which has to be done (I'm assuming) as he suggests inside Hyper-v Manager, not inside Dom0. It's confusing because it seems like that first install is what is controlling the box, but it really isn't any more once you install Hyper-V role.

          Hyper-V itself can't be networked. Only the Dom0 / Physical VM can be. Same with Xen. The hypervisors in both cases are sans networking. It's exclusively VMs that get to see the network at all.

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          • KellyK
            Kelly @Dashrender
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            @Dashrender said in Hyper-V homework question:

            @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

            @BBigford said in Hyper-V homework question:

            @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

            @BBigford said in Hyper-V homework question:

            @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

            Does the physical hosts' NIC get added to the switch?

            As a NIC team, yes.

            But does the physical VM ever get adding back to the switch?

            I guess I don't understand the question as VMs are taken out of the equation... it's the physical host (the workstation I'm sitting at in this case) that loses all connectivity to the external network/Internet.

            Hyper-V is a type 1 hypervisor. Bare metal. There can't be any other code on the bare metal. Your "physical host" is a VM.

            Do recall correctly, the OPs first VM is Dom0?

            @BBigford what @coliver is saying makes sense, you don't want teaming inside the Dom0, you want teaming inside Hyper-V which has to be done (I'm assuming) as he suggests inside Hyper-v Manager, not inside Dom0. It's confusing because it seems like that first install is what is controlling the box, but it really isn't any more once you install Hyper-V role.

            Thank you @Dashrender for putting it so much better than I had been able to.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
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              They really should not have you installing the GUI, why are they avoiding standard good practices for hypervisor installation in a class? Shouldn't they be teaching how to do it in real life, not how to not do it? They are teaching it in the way that we are constantly telling people to avoid.

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              • travisdh1T
                travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

                They really should not have you installing the GUI, why are they avoiding standard good practices for hypervisor installation in a class? Shouldn't they be teaching how to do it in real life, not how to not do it? They are teaching it in the way that we are constantly telling people to avoid.

                They're doing it exactly like we'd expect someone to teach it that doesn't have any real world experience, just like 90% of every college course.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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                  @travisdh1 said in Hyper-V homework question:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

                  They really should not have you installing the GUI, why are they avoiding standard good practices for hypervisor installation in a class? Shouldn't they be teaching how to do it in real life, not how to not do it? They are teaching it in the way that we are constantly telling people to avoid.

                  They're doing it exactly like we'd expect someone to teach it that doesn't have any real world experience, just like 90% of every college course.

                  Even without experience you'd hope that the professor would have looked into it or read the book or something.

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                  • travisdh1T
                    travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

                    @travisdh1 said in Hyper-V homework question:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

                    They really should not have you installing the GUI, why are they avoiding standard good practices for hypervisor installation in a class? Shouldn't they be teaching how to do it in real life, not how to not do it? They are teaching it in the way that we are constantly telling people to avoid.

                    They're doing it exactly like we'd expect someone to teach it that doesn't have any real world experience, just like 90% of every college course.

                    Even without experience you'd hope that the professor would have looked into it or read the book or something.

                    Well, sure, reading the lesson plans the night before. The attitude I hear way to often is "If you don't know something, the best way to learn it is to teach it."

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

                      @travisdh1 said in Hyper-V homework question:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

                      They really should not have you installing the GUI, why are they avoiding standard good practices for hypervisor installation in a class? Shouldn't they be teaching how to do it in real life, not how to not do it? They are teaching it in the way that we are constantly telling people to avoid.

                      They're doing it exactly like we'd expect someone to teach it that doesn't have any real world experience, just like 90% of every college course.

                      Even without experience you'd hope that the professor would have looked into it or read the book or something.

                      Seriously? Have you taken any of these courses before?

                      During my brain dump "training" class (see what I did there?) the instructor said he didn't use folder redirection or personal drive mappings, as if they were a crazy thing to use.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @travisdh1
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                        @travisdh1 said in Hyper-V homework question:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

                        @travisdh1 said in Hyper-V homework question:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

                        They really should not have you installing the GUI, why are they avoiding standard good practices for hypervisor installation in a class? Shouldn't they be teaching how to do it in real life, not how to not do it? They are teaching it in the way that we are constantly telling people to avoid.

                        They're doing it exactly like we'd expect someone to teach it that doesn't have any real world experience, just like 90% of every college course.

                        Even without experience you'd hope that the professor would have looked into it or read the book or something.

                        Well, sure, reading the lesson plans the night before. The attitude I hear way to often is "If you don't know something, the best way to learn it is to teach it."

                        Eh? I've never heard that!

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                        • ObsolesceO
                          Obsolesce
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                          I don't understand the issue. Is this ONLY happening on specific workstations? As in mfg/model?

                          I ask, because, I have installed Server 2012 R2 so many times and have also set up NIC Teaming via Server Mangler.... using an Integrated nic with a NIC on an add-in card. Created External vswitches and never had any issues what so ever.

                          The only issues I have run across were due to them being Broadcom NICs and having to disable Virtual Machine Queues option in the advanced properties of the NIC on the hosts. (before any teaming or anything is done). This needs to be done via Powershell on hosts running Core as well. I still have the commands handy if needed.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @Obsolesce
                            last edited by

                            @Tim_G said in Hyper-V homework question:

                            I don't understand the issue. Is this ONLY happening on specific workstations? As in mfg/model?

                            I ask, because, I have installed Server 2012 R2 so many times and have also set up NIC Teaming via Server Mangler.... using an Integrated nic with a NIC on an add-in card. Created External vswitches and never had any issues what so ever.

                            The only issues I have run across were due to them being Broadcom NICs and having to disable Virtual Machine Queues option in the advanced properties of the NIC on the hosts. (before any teaming or anything is done). This needs to be done via Powershell on hosts running Core as well. I still have the commands handy if needed.

                            But did you have the Hyper-V role installed in those servers? and if yes, did you use Teaming inside Hyper-v or inside the Dom0 VM?

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                            • bbigfordB
                              bbigford @scottalanmiller
                              last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

                              They really should not have you installing the GUI, why are they avoiding standard good practices for hypervisor installation in a class? Shouldn't they be teaching how to do it in real life, not how to not do it? They are teaching it in the way that we are constantly telling people to avoid.

                              We also did core installs and connect them to Hyper-V Manager on workstations as well.

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                              • bbigfordB
                                bbigford @Obsolesce
                                last edited by

                                @Tim_G said in Hyper-V homework question:

                                I don't understand the issue. Is this ONLY happening on specific workstations? As in mfg/model?

                                I ask, because, I have installed Server 2012 R2 so many times and have also set up NIC Teaming via Server Mangler.... using an Integrated nic with a NIC on an add-in card. Created External vswitches and never had any issues what so ever.

                                The only issues I have run across were due to them being Broadcom NICs and having to disable Virtual Machine Queues option in the advanced properties of the NIC on the hosts. (before any teaming or anything is done). This needs to be done via Powershell on hosts running Core as well. I still have the commands handy if needed.

                                I've also never had any issues. These are all on the same whitebox workstations (built by a local shop. Asus boards/etc).

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                                • bbigfordB
                                  bbigford @scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by bbigford

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

                                  @Dashrender said in Hyper-V homework question:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

                                  @BBigford said in Hyper-V homework question:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

                                  @BBigford said in Hyper-V homework question:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V homework question:

                                  Does the physical hosts' NIC get added to the switch?

                                  As a NIC team, yes.

                                  But does the physical VM ever get adding back to the switch?

                                  I guess I don't understand the question as VMs are taken out of the equation... it's the physical host (the workstation I'm sitting at in this case) that loses all connectivity to the external network/Internet.

                                  Hyper-V is a type 1 hypervisor. Bare metal. There can't be any other code on the bare metal. Your "physical host" is a VM.

                                  Do recall correctly, the OPs first VM is Dom0?

                                  Dom0 is what we call it in the Xen world. Microsoft, in their infinite desire to make Hyper-V hard, calls it the "Physical" VM. The dumbest name ever. But same thing, potato, poe-tah-toe.

                                  Ok that is making some sense... kinda. As far as the physical host then becoming a virtual machine. 😐

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                                  • bbigfordB
                                    bbigford
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                                    So maybe the question I should be asking if the physical host is then becoming a VM in sorts, is how do you control teaming in Hyper-V... Because to start, we have a physical workstation we sit at, that has Server 2012 R2 installed... we configure our two NICs on the host for teaming. Then install the Hyper-V role and create a virtual switch. Once we take the team that was created in Server Manager on the physical host and attach it to the virtual switch, then things go TU.

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                                    • ObsolesceO
                                      Obsolesce @bbigford
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                                      • ObsolesceO
                                        Obsolesce @bbigford
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                                        @BBigford said in Hyper-V homework question:

                                        So maybe the question I should be asking if the physical host is then becoming a VM in sorts, is how do you control teaming in Hyper-V... Because to start, we have a physical workstation we sit at, that has Server 2012 R2 installed... we configure our two NICs on the host for teaming. Then install the Hyper-V role and create a virtual switch. Once we take the team that was created in Server Manager on the physical host and attach it to the virtual switch, then things go TU.

                                        What happens if you do not configure NIC Teaming until after the Hyper-V role is installed? Does the issue still happen?

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                                        • thwrT
                                          thwr
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                                          @BBigford said in Hyper-V homework question:

                                          So maybe the question I should be asking if the physical host is then becoming a VM in sorts, is how do you control teaming in Hyper-V... Because to start, we have a physical workstation we sit at, that has Server 2012 R2 installed... we configure our two NICs on the host for teaming. Then install the Hyper-V role and create a virtual switch. Once we take the team that was created in Server Manager on the physical host and attach it to the virtual switch, then things go TU.

                                          Maybe take a look at the diagram here, it explains what @scottalanmiller said about the "physical VM": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-V#Architecture

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                                          • ObsolesceO
                                            Obsolesce @thwr
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                                            @thwr said in Hyper-V homework question:

                                            @BBigford said in Hyper-V homework question:

                                            So maybe the question I should be asking if the physical host is then becoming a VM in sorts, is how do you control teaming in Hyper-V... Because to start, we have a physical workstation we sit at, that has Server 2012 R2 installed... we configure our two NICs on the host for teaming. Then install the Hyper-V role and create a virtual switch. Once we take the team that was created in Server Manager on the physical host and attach it to the virtual switch, then things go TU.

                                            Maybe take a look at the diagram here, it explains what @scottalanmiller said about the "physical VM": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-V#Architecture

                                            The very best way I've heard it explained was in a podcast I listened to recently:

                                            Isolated User Mode in Windows 10 with Mark Minasi
                                            http://www.runasradio.com/Shows/Show/480

                                            I think it starts around 1/4 the way in, but the whole episode is good.

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