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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @wirestyle22
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      @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

      @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

      @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

      I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

      I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

      Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

      Well, unlike an XboX, cars kill people, so there will be a requirement that these things are like 99.999% no bugs. Think about airplanes, they don't release those with Xbox level bugs. They've had automated take off and landing for years now, actually they have automated everything now. I think the pilot is there more as a facade for passengers.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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        @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

        @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

        @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

        I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

        I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

        Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

        So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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          @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

          @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

          @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

          @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

          @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

          I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

          I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

          Statements like this highlight just how out of touch with reality you are.

          If people (and their policy makers) were actually honest enough to admit things like that, there would be a whole host of other issues not plaguing humanity right now.

          But this one has big investors with money to make behind it.

          And the insurance companies on the other side want humans to keep feeding their business model.

          Actually I was literally about to say how good this is for insurance companies because it lowers their risk while they keep charging for it. Insuring someone in a self driving car is great because the insurance company basically never has to pay out; it can't be at fault, it will just sue the car maker.

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          • wirestyle22W
            wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

            @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

            @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

            @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

            I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

            I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

            Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

            So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

            That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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              @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

              @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

              @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

              @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

              I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

              I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

              Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

              Well, unlike an XboX, cars kill people, so there will be a requirement that these things are like 99.999% no bugs. Think about airplanes, they don't release those with Xbox level bugs. They've had automated take off and landing for years now, actually they have automated everything now. I think the pilot is there more as a facade for passengers.

              Yup, pilots are there as a tertiary backup thing and to make passengers comfortable. In fact, pilots taking over is normally what kills people. The automated systems are pretty amazing.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

                I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

                Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

                So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

                That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables

                Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.

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                • JaredBuschJ
                  JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                  @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                  @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                  @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                  @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                  @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                  I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

                  I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

                  Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

                  So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

                  That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables

                  Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.

                  What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
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                    What I think is going to happen is this.... some child is going to get killed in a situation that has become unheard of because automated drivers are so safe. There is going to be a major lawsuit for manslaughter one, it's going to make national media front pages and people are going to start equating driving your own car to DUI today. People will start to say that getting behind the wheel of a car without computer control is deciding to put kids' lives at risk even before you pull out of the garage.

                    And, in reality, the stats make it sound like this is true. Driving drunk hardly guarantees an accident. Most drunks hit nothing, but the risk is too high. Once we have a dramatically safer alternative, a human driving will be statistically the same difference as a sober versus drunk driver today.

                    Then, likely, the insurance companies take it from there. There will be "automatic car only" clauses.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                      @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                      @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                      @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                      @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                      @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                      @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                      @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                      I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

                      I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

                      Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

                      So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

                      That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables

                      Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.

                      What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?

                      I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                        @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                        @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                        @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                        @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                        @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                        @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                        @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                        I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

                        I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

                        Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

                        So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

                        That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables

                        Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.

                        What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?

                        I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.

                        You've been in a self driving car?

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                        • JaredBuschJ
                          JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                          @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                          @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                          @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                          @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                          @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                          @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                          @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                          I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

                          I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

                          Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

                          So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

                          That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables

                          Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.

                          What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?

                          I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.

                          Yes, never assume I am against self driving cars. I want them functional, legal, and available soon. Personally I want one really bad.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                            @DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                            @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                            @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                            @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                            @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                            @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                            @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                            @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                            @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                            I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

                            I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

                            Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

                            So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

                            That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables

                            Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.

                            What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?

                            I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.

                            You've been in a self driving car?

                            If me being asleep and driving is considered automatic.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                              @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                              @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                              @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                              @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                              @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                              @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                              @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                              @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                              @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                              I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

                              I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

                              Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

                              So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

                              That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables

                              Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.

                              What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?

                              I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.

                              Yes, never assume I am against self driving cars. I want them functional, legal, and available soon. Personally I want one really bad.

                              Did you hear about the guy last week who went to sleep and let his self driving car do all of the driving? Cops pulled him over asleep. Unfortunately for him, the current laws require you to remain awake.

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                                DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                @DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

                                I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

                                Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

                                So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

                                That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables

                                Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.

                                What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?

                                I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.

                                You've been in a self driving car?

                                If me being asleep and driving is considered automatic.

                                I wouldn't equate those two, I'd mark that closer to a DUI.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                  @DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                  @DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                  @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                  @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                  @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                  @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                  I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

                                  I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

                                  Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

                                  So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

                                  That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables

                                  Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.

                                  What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?

                                  I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.

                                  You've been in a self driving car?

                                  If me being asleep and driving is considered automatic.

                                  I wouldn't equate those two, I'd mark that closer to a DUI.

                                  No it was DWOI... Driving WIthout Influence.

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                                  • DustinB3403D
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                    @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                    @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                    @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                    @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                    @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                    I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

                                    I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

                                    Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

                                    So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

                                    That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables

                                    Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.

                                    What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?

                                    I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.

                                    Yes, never assume I am against self driving cars. I want them functional, legal, and available soon. Personally I want one really bad.

                                    Did you hear about the guy last week who went to sleep and let his self driving car do all of the driving? Cops pulled him over asleep. Unfortunately for him, the current laws require you to remain awake.

                                    Link to the article please.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
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                                      @DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                      @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                      @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                      @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                      @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                      @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                      I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

                                      I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

                                      Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

                                      So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

                                      That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables

                                      Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.

                                      What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?

                                      I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.

                                      Yes, never assume I am against self driving cars. I want them functional, legal, and available soon. Personally I want one really bad.

                                      Did you hear about the guy last week who went to sleep and let his self driving car do all of the driving? Cops pulled him over asleep. Unfortunately for him, the current laws require you to remain awake.

                                      Link to the article please.

                                      http://www.sfgate.com/cars/article/Tesla-driver-Model-S-sleeping-autopilot-7945784.php

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
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                                        Hmm... that's not the one that got pulled over. But similar time frame and vehicle.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @JaredBusch
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                                          @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                          @JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                          @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                          @wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                          @Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:

                                          I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.

                                          I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.

                                          Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.

                                          So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.

                                          That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables

                                          Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.

                                          What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?

                                          I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.

                                          Yes, never assume I am against self driving cars. I want them functional, legal, and available soon. Personally I want one really bad.

                                          I'm in front of JB in line for a self driving car, but he currently really has higher need for one than me.

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                                          • DustinB3403D
                                            DustinB3403
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                                            So if autonomous cars are a good thing, should they have an Override function?

                                            Should a human ever be allowed to drive a car if it is truly self driving?

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