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    • jt1001001J
      jt1001001
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      I have a set of Insignia wireless speakers (Best Buy house brand as well) and agree with @MattSpeller they are horrible. Not much power which for regular viewing is OK but in a movie situation where we have the volume up a bit, yeah not good. SO this weekend got permission to run wire and drill very small ("i better not see them") wires for the surrounds. Fortunate for me I can go in the basement and its a straight shot don't have to go through any joists.

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      • travisdh1T
        travisdh1 @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender said in Home theater audio:

        @Jason said in Home theater audio:

        Manual shows 30Watts RMS into 4 ohms 10%THD.. Not much power..
        also has a 20ms latency.

        The listing said 25 Watts, and the review I read didn't indicate how much the latency was, but that it was there. My receiver can actually solve that latency issue I'm pretty sure, and for rear speaker, do I really need more than 25 Watts?

        Yes.

        Long Answer: 25 watts isn't enough to drive any sort of decent speaker unless you like them whisper quiet. My setup at home uses a Dennon 7.1 100w/channel amp and a 5.1 Andrew Jones signature series speaker set (audio snobs consider it the lowest price acceptable set). The 100w/channel really doesn't get very loud. The only way I can annoy my neighbors is with the self-powered sub.

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        • wrx7mW
          wrx7m
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          If you are looking for something that cheap, this is probably a bit better quality:
          http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10601

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          • RojoLocoR
            RojoLoco
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            I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?

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              Jason Banned @RojoLoco
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              @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

              I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?

              You'd need a speaker level to Line (or Instrument if the wireless system doesn't adjust) level converter you'll be converting the speaker level into heat..

              Those speaker level to line level devices are usually for car audio and you will be disappointed with your results. If your amp can do passive unamplified outputs you can get around it though but that's not likely.

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              • MattSpellerM
                MattSpeller @RojoLoco
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                @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?

                Given time and money this is how I would do it for multiple reasons.

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                • MattSpellerM
                  MattSpeller
                  last edited by

                  Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

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                  • RojoLocoR
                    RojoLoco @Jason
                    last edited by

                    @Jason said in Home theater audio:

                    @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                    I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?

                    You'd need a speaker level to Line (or Instrument if the wireless system doesn't adjust) level converter you'll be converting the speaker level into heat..

                    Those speaker level to line level devices are usually for car audio and you will be disappointed with your results. If your amp can do passive unamplified outputs you can get around it though but that's not likely.

                    I was assuming multi channel line level outs on the receiver, but good point.

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                    • RojoLocoR
                      RojoLoco @MattSpeller
                      last edited by

                      @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                      Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                      My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

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                      • MattSpellerM
                        MattSpeller @RojoLoco
                        last edited by MattSpeller

                        @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                        @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                        Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                        My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                        True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)

                        *for values of much more measured in milliseconds

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                        • travisdh1T
                          travisdh1 @RojoLoco
                          last edited by

                          @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                          @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                          Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                          My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                          Guess what? It's still horrible. If one band member want's a wireless in-ear monitor, they all have to have wireless monitors on the same broadcast system. Otherwise they get to hear what they're playing twice!

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                          • RojoLocoR
                            RojoLoco @MattSpeller
                            last edited by

                            @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                            @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                            @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                            Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                            My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                            True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)

                            *for values of much more measured in milliseconds

                            If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.

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                            • MattSpellerM
                              MattSpeller @RojoLoco
                              last edited by MattSpeller

                              @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                              @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                              @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                              @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                              Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                              My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                              True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)

                              *for values of much more measured in milliseconds

                              If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.

                              You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.

                              I can hear a small difference when playing classical over my 5.1 system. As a test I dialed in delay to the rear channels and it quickly became "not quite right". It's not an echo so much as it's just slightly out of phase and it's.... weird. Keep in mind that was a stereo recording, so the difference was very obvious.

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                                Jason Banned @travisdh1
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                                @travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:

                                @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                                Guess what? It's still horrible. If one band member want's a wireless in-ear monitor, they all have to have wireless monitors on the same broadcast system. Otherwise they get to hear what they're playing twice!

                                Nah, that's why we have latency adjustments on outputs you delay all the other wedges to match wireless

                                Same with using live effects like waves we delay the other inputs to match. It's very little latency on either for high end systems

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                                • MattSpellerM
                                  MattSpeller @Jason
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                                  @Jason said in Home theater audio:

                                  @travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:

                                  @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                  @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                  Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                  My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                                  Guess what? It's still horrible. If one band member want's a wireless in-ear monitor, they all have to have wireless monitors on the same broadcast system. Otherwise they get to hear what they're playing twice!

                                  high end systems

                                  Want

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                                  • RojoLocoR
                                    RojoLoco @MattSpeller
                                    last edited by

                                    @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                    @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                    @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                    @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                    @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                    Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                    My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                                    True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)

                                    *for values of much more measured in milliseconds

                                    If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.

                                    You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.

                                    I can hear a small difference when playing classical over my 5.1 system. As a test I dialed in delay to the rear channels and it quickly became "not quite right". It's not an echo so much as it's just slightly out of phase and it's.... weird. Keep in mind that was a stereo recording, so the difference was very obvious.

                                    Even 1 ms can cause a weird phasing / chorusing effect on any material, but classical would make it much more obvious.

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                                    • travisdh1T
                                      travisdh1 @MattSpeller
                                      last edited by

                                      @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                      @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                      @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                      @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                      @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                      Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                      My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                                      True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)

                                      *for values of much more measured in milliseconds

                                      If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.

                                      You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.

                                      You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.

                                      If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.

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                                      • RojoLocoR
                                        RojoLoco @travisdh1
                                        last edited by

                                        @travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:

                                        @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                        @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                        @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                        @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                        @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                        Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                        My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                                        True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)

                                        *for values of much more measured in milliseconds

                                        If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.

                                        You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.

                                        You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.

                                        If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.

                                        Yes, but a large concert rig has delay lines built in to compensate for the speaker distances. If the performers hear an audible delay, the FOH engineer isn't doing his job.

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                                        • travisdh1T
                                          travisdh1 @RojoLoco
                                          last edited by

                                          @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                          @travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:

                                          @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                          @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                          @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                          @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                          @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                          Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                          My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                                          True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)

                                          *for values of much more measured in milliseconds

                                          If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.

                                          You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.

                                          You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.

                                          If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.

                                          Yes, but a large concert rig has delay lines built in to compensate for the speaker distances. If the performers hear an audible delay, the FOH engineer isn't doing his job.

                                          Don't get me started on that topic either. The quality of sound engineers are about as good as the "IT Pros" you find in that other place.

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                                          • RojoLocoR
                                            RojoLoco @travisdh1
                                            last edited by

                                            @travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:

                                            @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                            @travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:

                                            @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                            @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                            @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                            @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                            @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                            Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                            My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                                            True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)

                                            *for values of much more measured in milliseconds

                                            If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.

                                            You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.

                                            You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.

                                            If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.

                                            Yes, but a large concert rig has delay lines built in to compensate for the speaker distances. If the performers hear an audible delay, the FOH engineer isn't doing his job.

                                            Don't get me started on that topic either. The quality of sound engineers are about as good as the "IT Pros" you find in that other place.

                                            Preaching to the choir... my degree is in audio engineering. Have you tried playing in a dive bar with a coked up sound guy and only 1 monitor mix lately? Yep, it still sucks.

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