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      Jason Banned @Dashrender
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      @Dashrender said in Home theater audio:

      Running wires would require running them into the basement, no access to the space between the main floor and the second floor.

      There are ways..

      http://www.amazon.com/Magnepull-XP1000-LC-Wire-Pulling-System/dp/B000YJB5WO

      http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Flexible-Drill-Bit-Kit-3-Piece-53721/203913339

      No need to go in unfinished spaces. Also keep in mine if you cut a small access hole in drywall say 2x2 they are really easy to patch.

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        MattSpeller @Jason
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        @Jason said in Home theater audio:

        @Dashrender said in Home theater audio:

        Running wires would require running them into the basement, no access to the space between the main floor and the second floor.

        There are ways..

        http://www.amazon.com/Magnepull-XP1000-LC-Wire-Pulling-System/dp/B000YJB5WO

        http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Flexible-Drill-Bit-Kit-3-Piece-53721/203913339

        No need to go in unfinished spaces. Also keep in mine if you cut a small access hole in drywall say 2x2 they are really easy to patch.

        Upvotes due to wireless speakers being utter bollox every time I've tried them (admittedly not in several years)

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          Dashrender @Jason
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          @Jason said in Home theater audio:

          @Dashrender said in Home theater audio:

          Running wires would require running them into the basement, no access to the space between the main floor and the second floor.

          There are ways..

          http://www.amazon.com/Magnepull-XP1000-LC-Wire-Pulling-System/dp/B000YJB5WO

          http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Flexible-Drill-Bit-Kit-3-Piece-53721/203913339

          No need to go in unfinished spaces. Also keep in mine if you cut a small access hole in drywall say 2x2 they are really easy to patch.

          This assumes that the joists run the correct direction in my ceiling to pull a wire, honest I have no clue, but, if they go the same direction as the ones in the basement, then that's a non starter.

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            Jason Banned @Dashrender
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            @Dashrender said in Home theater audio:

            This assumes that the joists run the correct direction in my ceiling to pull a wire, honest I have no clue, but, if they go the same direction as the ones in the basement, then that's a non starter.

            There are two tools there for a reason..

            Also often times there is a spacer between ceiling joists and the drywall to allow for cabling without holes drilling into joists.

            Normally ceiling joists and floor joists will be the same direction.

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              Dashrender @Jason
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              @Jason said in Home theater audio:

              @Dashrender said in Home theater audio:

              This assumes that the joists run the correct direction in my ceiling to pull a wire, honest I have no clue, but, if they go the same direction as the ones in the basement, then that's a non starter.

              There are two tools there for a reason..

              Also often times there is a spacer between ceiling joists and the drywall to allow for cabling without holes drilling into joists.

              Normally ceiling joists and floor joists will be the same direction.

              I'm not sure how I'd get into the ceiling in the first place to see the spacer you're talking about.

              As for the drill bit thing - that would be fine If I didn't need to go 25 feet with it. LOL

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                jt1001001
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                I have a set of Insignia wireless speakers (Best Buy house brand as well) and agree with @MattSpeller they are horrible. Not much power which for regular viewing is OK but in a movie situation where we have the volume up a bit, yeah not good. SO this weekend got permission to run wire and drill very small ("i better not see them") wires for the surrounds. Fortunate for me I can go in the basement and its a straight shot don't have to go through any joists.

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                • travisdh1T
                  travisdh1 @Dashrender
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                  @Dashrender said in Home theater audio:

                  @Jason said in Home theater audio:

                  Manual shows 30Watts RMS into 4 ohms 10%THD.. Not much power..
                  also has a 20ms latency.

                  The listing said 25 Watts, and the review I read didn't indicate how much the latency was, but that it was there. My receiver can actually solve that latency issue I'm pretty sure, and for rear speaker, do I really need more than 25 Watts?

                  Yes.

                  Long Answer: 25 watts isn't enough to drive any sort of decent speaker unless you like them whisper quiet. My setup at home uses a Dennon 7.1 100w/channel amp and a 5.1 Andrew Jones signature series speaker set (audio snobs consider it the lowest price acceptable set). The 100w/channel really doesn't get very loud. The only way I can annoy my neighbors is with the self-powered sub.

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                    wrx7m
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                    If you are looking for something that cheap, this is probably a bit better quality:
                    http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10601

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                    • RojoLocoR
                      RojoLoco
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                      I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?

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                        Jason Banned @RojoLoco
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                        @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                        I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?

                        You'd need a speaker level to Line (or Instrument if the wireless system doesn't adjust) level converter you'll be converting the speaker level into heat..

                        Those speaker level to line level devices are usually for car audio and you will be disappointed with your results. If your amp can do passive unamplified outputs you can get around it though but that's not likely.

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                          MattSpeller @RojoLoco
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                          @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                          I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?

                          Given time and money this is how I would do it for multiple reasons.

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                            MattSpeller
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                            Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

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                              RojoLoco @Jason
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                              @Jason said in Home theater audio:

                              @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                              I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?

                              You'd need a speaker level to Line (or Instrument if the wireless system doesn't adjust) level converter you'll be converting the speaker level into heat..

                              Those speaker level to line level devices are usually for car audio and you will be disappointed with your results. If your amp can do passive unamplified outputs you can get around it though but that's not likely.

                              I was assuming multi channel line level outs on the receiver, but good point.

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                                RojoLoco @MattSpeller
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                                @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

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                                  MattSpeller @RojoLoco
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                                  @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                  @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                  Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                  My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                                  True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)

                                  *for values of much more measured in milliseconds

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                                    travisdh1 @RojoLoco
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                                    @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                    @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                    Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                    My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                                    Guess what? It's still horrible. If one band member want's a wireless in-ear monitor, they all have to have wireless monitors on the same broadcast system. Otherwise they get to hear what they're playing twice!

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                                    • RojoLocoR
                                      RojoLoco @MattSpeller
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                                      @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                      @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                      @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                      Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                      My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                                      True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)

                                      *for values of much more measured in milliseconds

                                      If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.

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                                        MattSpeller @RojoLoco
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                                        @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                        @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                        @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                        @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                        Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                        My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                                        True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)

                                        *for values of much more measured in milliseconds

                                        If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.

                                        You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.

                                        I can hear a small difference when playing classical over my 5.1 system. As a test I dialed in delay to the rear channels and it quickly became "not quite right". It's not an echo so much as it's just slightly out of phase and it's.... weird. Keep in mind that was a stereo recording, so the difference was very obvious.

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                                          Jason Banned @travisdh1
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                                          @travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:

                                          @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                          @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                          Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                          My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                                          Guess what? It's still horrible. If one band member want's a wireless in-ear monitor, they all have to have wireless monitors on the same broadcast system. Otherwise they get to hear what they're playing twice!

                                          Nah, that's why we have latency adjustments on outputs you delay all the other wedges to match wireless

                                          Same with using live effects like waves we delay the other inputs to match. It's very little latency on either for high end systems

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                                            MattSpeller @Jason
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                                            @Jason said in Home theater audio:

                                            @travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:

                                            @RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:

                                            @MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:

                                            Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual

                                            My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...

                                            Guess what? It's still horrible. If one band member want's a wireless in-ear monitor, they all have to have wireless monitors on the same broadcast system. Otherwise they get to hear what they're playing twice!

                                            high end systems

                                            Want

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