Home theater audio
-
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?
You'd need a speaker level to Line (or Instrument if the wireless system doesn't adjust) level converter you'll be converting the speaker level into heat..
Those speaker level to line level devices are usually for car audio and you will be disappointed with your results. If your amp can do passive unamplified outputs you can get around it though but that's not likely.
-
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?
Given time and money this is how I would do it for multiple reasons.
-
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
-
@Jason said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?
You'd need a speaker level to Line (or Instrument if the wireless system doesn't adjust) level converter you'll be converting the speaker level into heat..
Those speaker level to line level devices are usually for car audio and you will be disappointed with your results. If your amp can do passive unamplified outputs you can get around it though but that's not likely.
I was assuming multi channel line level outs on the receiver, but good point.
-
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
-
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
-
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
Guess what? It's still horrible. If one band member want's a wireless in-ear monitor, they all have to have wireless monitors on the same broadcast system. Otherwise they get to hear what they're playing twice!
-
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
-
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
I can hear a small difference when playing classical over my 5.1 system. As a test I dialed in delay to the rear channels and it quickly became "not quite right". It's not an echo so much as it's just slightly out of phase and it's.... weird. Keep in mind that was a stereo recording, so the difference was very obvious.
-
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
Guess what? It's still horrible. If one band member want's a wireless in-ear monitor, they all have to have wireless monitors on the same broadcast system. Otherwise they get to hear what they're playing twice!
Nah, that's why we have latency adjustments on outputs you delay all the other wedges to match wireless
Same with using live effects like waves we delay the other inputs to match. It's very little latency on either for high end systems
-
@Jason said in Home theater audio:
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
Guess what? It's still horrible. If one band member want's a wireless in-ear monitor, they all have to have wireless monitors on the same broadcast system. Otherwise they get to hear what they're playing twice!
high end systems
Want
-
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
I can hear a small difference when playing classical over my 5.1 system. As a test I dialed in delay to the rear channels and it quickly became "not quite right". It's not an echo so much as it's just slightly out of phase and it's.... weird. Keep in mind that was a stereo recording, so the difference was very obvious.
Even 1 ms can cause a weird phasing / chorusing effect on any material, but classical would make it much more obvious.
-
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.
If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.
-
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.
If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.
Yes, but a large concert rig has delay lines built in to compensate for the speaker distances. If the performers hear an audible delay, the FOH engineer isn't doing his job.
-
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.
If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.
Yes, but a large concert rig has delay lines built in to compensate for the speaker distances. If the performers hear an audible delay, the FOH engineer isn't doing his job.
Don't get me started on that topic either. The quality of sound engineers are about as good as the "IT Pros" you find in that other place.
-
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.
If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.
Yes, but a large concert rig has delay lines built in to compensate for the speaker distances. If the performers hear an audible delay, the FOH engineer isn't doing his job.
Don't get me started on that topic either. The quality of sound engineers are about as good as the "IT Pros" you find in that other place.
Preaching to the choir... my degree is in audio engineering. Have you tried playing in a dive bar with a coked up sound guy and only 1 monitor mix lately? Yep, it still sucks.
-
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.
If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.
Yes, but a large concert rig has delay lines built in to compensate for the speaker distances. If the performers hear an audible delay, the FOH engineer isn't doing his job.
Don't get me started on that topic either. The quality of sound engineers are about as good as the "IT Pros" you find in that other place.
Preaching to the choir... my degree is in audio engineering. Have you tried playing in a dive bar with a coked up sound guy and only 1 monitor mix lately? Yep, it still sucks.
I took care of the mixing for a couple of different churches in my younger years. I could never understand why the concert mixes were always so terrible. If it's a dive bar, the sound guy is probably some employees kid who might know something about tech, but was mostly likely thrown at the problem by someone who just doesn't want to deal with it
-
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.
If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.
Yes, but a large concert rig has delay lines built in to compensate for the speaker distances. If the performers hear an audible delay, the FOH engineer isn't doing his job.
Don't get me started on that topic either. The quality of sound engineers are about as good as the "IT Pros" you find in that other place.
Preaching to the choir... my degree is in audio engineering. Have you tried playing in a dive bar with a coked up sound guy and only 1 monitor mix lately? Yep, it still sucks.
I took care of the mixing for a couple of different churches in my younger years. I could never understand why the concert mixes were always so terrible. If it's a dive bar, the sound guy is probably some employees kid who might know something about tech, but was mostly likely thrown at the problem by someone who just doesn't want to deal with it
Bingo. We played a gig recently where the sound guy never showed.... and he had the wedge monitors with him. And my band were the only non-Mexican people there. I can speak enough Spanish to get by, so I did sound for the whole show, with no monitors, and the mixer was located behind the stage left main stack. Lots of running back and forth (quite a twisted path from the mixer to the dance floor, there was a fence in front of the stage). It was a real Blues Brothers kind of night, but the show was awesome and everyone had a blast.
-
@BRRABill said in Home theater audio:
Not all significant others disapprove. Mine helped me run the cables! (Helps to have another IT person in the house.)
Mine, too. Mine approved of a dedicated theatre room (a many years before they were the cool thing to do), helped pick out insanely high fi speakers for it, approved of painting it all black, fixed screen and even going so far as to have 1/3rd way into the room free standing speakers fore and aft, in ceiling mounted monoblock gear and all wiring run outside of the walls and back in to keep the room clear!
