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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
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      It's degrading the array to rebuild it to move to faster disks.

      ... . . .....

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      • dafyreD
        dafyre
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        $5 says you lose another drive during the rebuild.

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        • coliverC
          coliver
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          If I recall this isn't the first asinine thing this MSP has said done... why are you still paying them?

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @coliver
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            @coliver I don't have that choice, this isn't being done, but was "if we had done this....."

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch @hobbit666
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              @hobbit666 said:

              I don't see a problem. the logic is fine 10K is faster spinning than 7.2K. cut them some slack!

              WTF kind of logic makes you think intentionally breaking and rebuilding a RAID5 array 4 times is a good thing?

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              • DustinB3403D
                DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
                last edited by

                @JaredBusch said:

                @hobbit666 said:

                I don't see a problem. the logic is fine 10K is faster spinning than 7.2K. cut them some slack!

                WTF kind of logic makes you think intentionally breaking and rebuilding a RAID5 array 4 times is a good thing?

                I also did the math on this (because this unit is the one with the failed disk already) that we'd have a 27% chance of failure, just on a single repair, which is why we bought a new Synology with 4-1TB SSD in RAID 5.

                And restored from backup to it.

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                  Jason Banned @JaredBusch
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                  @JaredBusch said:

                  @hobbit666 said:

                  I don't see a problem. the logic is fine 10K is faster spinning than 7.2K. cut them some slack!

                  WTF kind of logic makes you think intentionally breaking and rebuilding a RAID5 array 4 times is a good thing?

                  If it was a RAID 10.. Maybe. RAID 5 No way in hell is this a good idea.

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                  • coliverC
                    coliver @Jason
                    last edited by coliver

                    @Jason said:

                    @JaredBusch said:

                    @hobbit666 said:

                    I don't see a problem. the logic is fine 10K is faster spinning than 7.2K. cut them some slack!

                    WTF kind of logic makes you think intentionally breaking and rebuilding a RAID5 array 4 times is a good thing?

                    If it was a RAID 10.. Maybe. RAID 5 No way in hell is this a good idea.

                    I don't know, intentionally breaking an array seems like a bad idea to me regardless of RAID level.

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                    • dafyreD
                      dafyre @Jason
                      last edited by

                      @Jason said:

                      @JaredBusch said:

                      @hobbit666 said:

                      I don't see a problem. the logic is fine 10K is faster spinning than 7.2K. cut them some slack!

                      WTF kind of logic makes you think intentionally breaking and rebuilding a RAID5 array 4 times is a good thing?

                      If it was a RAID 10.. Maybe. RAID 5 No way in hell is this a good idea.

                      Even RAID10, to me, that'd be a big maybe.

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        And restored from backup to it.

                        That is certainly the right way to do it.

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                          Jason Banned @dafyre
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                          @dafyre said:

                          @Jason said:

                          @JaredBusch said:

                          @hobbit666 said:

                          I don't see a problem. the logic is fine 10K is faster spinning than 7.2K. cut them some slack!

                          WTF kind of logic makes you think intentionally breaking and rebuilding a RAID5 array 4 times is a good thing?

                          If it was a RAID 10.. Maybe. RAID 5 No way in hell is this a good idea.

                          Even RAID10, to me, that'd be a big maybe.

                          Yeah I wouldn't do it but chances of failure would be pretty slim compared to RAID 5 especially.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
                            last edited by

                            @JaredBusch said:

                            @DustinB3403 said:

                            And restored from backup to it.

                            That is certainly the right way to do it.

                            It was the only way, this same MSP wanted to initally copy from the existing unit. I told my boss, just restore from backup, and we can run xcopies to pull anything else over that isn't a part of the backup.

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403
                              last edited by DustinB3403

                              Just as a follow up to this, our existing iSCSI device (as it can't act as a NAS) has had 2 of the 4 drives replaced already, and 1 of them was replaced with a Desktop drive......

                              Seagate 1TB Desktop 7200 disk....

                              Who the hell...

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                              • coliverC
                                coliver @DustinB3403
                                last edited by

                                @DustinB3403 said:

                                Just as a follow up to this, our existing NAS has had 2 of the 4 drives replaced already, and 1 of them was replaced with a Desktop drive......

                                Seagate 1TB Desktop 7200 disk....

                                Who the hell...

                                How did these people get hired originally? Friend of the owner?

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                                • hobbit666H
                                  hobbit666 @JaredBusch
                                  last edited by

                                  @JaredBusch said:

                                  WTF kind of logic makes you think intentionally breaking and rebuilding a RAID5 array 4 times is a good thing?

                                  Sorry should of added the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags and some similes (if they were working lol).

                                  As I side note I have done this 🙂 on my ReadyNAS with RAIDX replaced all 4 drives from 1TB to 1.5TB allowing rebuild between and it does work, just bum clenching while it rebuilds lol

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403 @coliver
                                    last edited by

                                    @coliver yeah I have no clue.... I had to update my last reply because this unit can't even act as a NAS.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @Jason
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                                      @Jason said:

                                      @dafyre said:

                                      @Jason said:

                                      @JaredBusch said:

                                      @hobbit666 said:

                                      I don't see a problem. the logic is fine 10K is faster spinning than 7.2K. cut them some slack!

                                      WTF kind of logic makes you think intentionally breaking and rebuilding a RAID5 array 4 times is a good thing?

                                      If it was a RAID 10.. Maybe. RAID 5 No way in hell is this a good idea.

                                      Even RAID10, to me, that'd be a big maybe.

                                      Yeah I wouldn't do it but chances of failure would be pretty slim compared to RAID 5 especially.

                                      Yes, like pretty significantly different. Still a bad idea, but a different order of magnitude bad idea.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                        last edited by

                                        @DustinB3403 said:

                                        @coliver yeah I have no clue.... I had to update my last reply because this unit can't even act as a NAS.

                                        That's just called a SAN.

                                        Is it the infamous SC101?

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
                                          last edited by

                                          It's a Buffalo Terastation something or other model from ~7 years ago.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                            @DustinB3403 said:

                                            It's a Buffalo Terastation something or other model from ~7 years ago.

                                            OH right, that is the one that prompted the other thread about finding the low end pure SAN devices that are out there on the market. Other than the SC101 and Drobo, this was the first of these that we had come across.

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