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    • JaredBuschJ
      JaredBusch @DustinB3403
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      @DustinB3403 said:

      And restored from backup to it.

      That is certainly the right way to do it.

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        Jason Banned @dafyre
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        @dafyre said:

        @Jason said:

        @JaredBusch said:

        @hobbit666 said:

        I don't see a problem. the logic is fine 10K is faster spinning than 7.2K. cut them some slack!

        WTF kind of logic makes you think intentionally breaking and rebuilding a RAID5 array 4 times is a good thing?

        If it was a RAID 10.. Maybe. RAID 5 No way in hell is this a good idea.

        Even RAID10, to me, that'd be a big maybe.

        Yeah I wouldn't do it but chances of failure would be pretty slim compared to RAID 5 especially.

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
          last edited by

          @JaredBusch said:

          @DustinB3403 said:

          And restored from backup to it.

          That is certainly the right way to do it.

          It was the only way, this same MSP wanted to initally copy from the existing unit. I told my boss, just restore from backup, and we can run xcopies to pull anything else over that isn't a part of the backup.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403
            last edited by DustinB3403

            Just as a follow up to this, our existing iSCSI device (as it can't act as a NAS) has had 2 of the 4 drives replaced already, and 1 of them was replaced with a Desktop drive......

            Seagate 1TB Desktop 7200 disk....

            Who the hell...

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            • coliverC
              coliver @DustinB3403
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              @DustinB3403 said:

              Just as a follow up to this, our existing NAS has had 2 of the 4 drives replaced already, and 1 of them was replaced with a Desktop drive......

              Seagate 1TB Desktop 7200 disk....

              Who the hell...

              How did these people get hired originally? Friend of the owner?

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              • hobbit666H
                hobbit666 @JaredBusch
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                @JaredBusch said:

                WTF kind of logic makes you think intentionally breaking and rebuilding a RAID5 array 4 times is a good thing?

                Sorry should of added the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags and some similes (if they were working lol).

                As I side note I have done this 🙂 on my ReadyNAS with RAIDX replaced all 4 drives from 1TB to 1.5TB allowing rebuild between and it does work, just bum clenching while it rebuilds lol

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403 @coliver
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                  @coliver yeah I have no clue.... I had to update my last reply because this unit can't even act as a NAS.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Jason
                    last edited by

                    @Jason said:

                    @dafyre said:

                    @Jason said:

                    @JaredBusch said:

                    @hobbit666 said:

                    I don't see a problem. the logic is fine 10K is faster spinning than 7.2K. cut them some slack!

                    WTF kind of logic makes you think intentionally breaking and rebuilding a RAID5 array 4 times is a good thing?

                    If it was a RAID 10.. Maybe. RAID 5 No way in hell is this a good idea.

                    Even RAID10, to me, that'd be a big maybe.

                    Yeah I wouldn't do it but chances of failure would be pretty slim compared to RAID 5 especially.

                    Yes, like pretty significantly different. Still a bad idea, but a different order of magnitude bad idea.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      @coliver yeah I have no clue.... I had to update my last reply because this unit can't even act as a NAS.

                      That's just called a SAN.

                      Is it the infamous SC101?

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        It's a Buffalo Terastation something or other model from ~7 years ago.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          It's a Buffalo Terastation something or other model from ~7 years ago.

                          OH right, that is the one that prompted the other thread about finding the low end pure SAN devices that are out there on the market. Other than the SC101 and Drobo, this was the first of these that we had come across.

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                          • bbigfordB
                            bbigford
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                            If you were going to exchange disks for completely different drives (model/speed/etc), they should have recommended moving the data off, destroying the volume, and completely rebuilding it.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @bbigford
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                              @BBigford said:

                              If you were going to exchange disks for completely different drives (model/speed/etc), they should have recommended moving the data off, destroying the volume, and completely rebuilding it.

                              Even for the same drives... although why would you swap out good identical drives.

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                              • bbigfordB
                                bbigford @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @BBigford said:

                                If you were going to exchange disks for completely different drives (model/speed/etc), they should have recommended moving the data off, destroying the volume, and completely rebuilding it.

                                Even for the same drives... although why would you swap out good identical drives.

                                I wouldn't swap out good identical drives... But if the OP really wanted faster mechanical drives, or SSDs for that matter. I don't see 7200 rpm drives vs. 10k rpm drives being an enormous leap. Now 7200 rpm vs SSD is a different story in performance (dependent on the SSDs used of course), but also a bit more expensive per GB. Nonetheless, I wouldn't be breaking a RAID intentionally without moving all the data off and just rebuilding. I don't see any other reason with how unstable you are making it.

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                                • MattSpellerM
                                  MattSpeller
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                                  Time for new MSP? 😛

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                                  • bbigfordB
                                    bbigford @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller The only time I've traded out drives intentionally when things hadn't failed was a rock bottom budget, we had to expand the storage, and couldn't afford a new appliance right then and there. Traded out one drive at a time for larger drives (backups were taken), and eventually scaled up to about double the size. Bought a different appliance the following year and reused the old appliance as a non-critical.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @MattSpeller
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                                      @MattSpeller said:

                                      Time for new MSP? 😛

                                      They don't hire that MSP because of the IT work that they do.

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                                        Jason Banned @MattSpeller
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                                        @MattSpeller said:

                                        Time for new MSP? 😛

                                        I hope this isn't TekSystem's cause I'm getting ready to contract some remote work to them haha.

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403 @Jason
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                                          @Jason you're safe.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Jason
                                            last edited by scottalanmiller

                                            @Jason said:

                                            @MattSpeller said:

                                            Time for new MSP? 😛

                                            I hope this isn't TekSystem's cause I'm getting ready to contract some remote work to them haha.

                                            I've worked for TekSystems before. Several times over the years. Some good, some bad experiences. Definitely more on the bad side.

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