Company's TV - Show your own stuff during commercials?
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@Dashrender said:
@gjacobse said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Interesting - so you'd have to some some type of logic box that could tell when ads were playing - swap the video out source to one it controls, then cut back to cable when the ads were over.
Without some sort of DVR ability I it won't be seamless.
I've not owned any cable tv stuff since TIVO was brand spanking new so I'm very out of the loop of what's possible.
I figured the solution would be something like you describe; small time shift to detect commercials and then overlay a powerpoint or something. Is this actually a thing?
TiVo - Oh my,.. I have an upgraded Series 1 and a 3,.. Been on DirecTV for a while now so both are collecting dust.
yeah I retired my Series 1 probably 7 years ago... Love the interface - but with cable - it was pointless.
I had done the nifty 'mega' upgrade to it. Hacked the system by adding a NIC card, more memory and Hard drive. I could control it from any computer in the house,.. and using (I don't remember the software) download shows to watch elsewhere.
But don't really need that now either. Oh and of course, both units are Lifetime subscriptions..
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Q: We don’t charge admission. Do we still need a license?
A: Yes. A license is required regardless of whether an admission fee is charged. However, the Umbrella License covers only those situations where admission is not charged.Q: We’re a non-profit organization. Do we still need a license?
A: Yes. Under the law, it doesn’t matter if you’re a non-profit or for-profit organization. You are required to have a public performance license to show motion pictures and other audiovisual works. -
@wirestyle22 said:
@Jason said:
@wirestyle22 said:
At this point I'd just create my own Netflix using Plex. I have 150 down/150 up fiber at home.
You'd still need commercial use licenses for showing the movies. The rule doesn't come from netflix themsevles but the content creators. Buy a DVD at walmart? That's for private showings at home home only.
I wonder what obligations you are under to show content in a business that is not for profit.
Doesn't matter if it's for public viewing.. It needs a license. You will usually need to buy them on a per movie basis.
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@gjacobse said:
@Dashrender said:
@gjacobse said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Interesting - so you'd have to some some type of logic box that could tell when ads were playing - swap the video out source to one it controls, then cut back to cable when the ads were over.
Without some sort of DVR ability I it won't be seamless.
I've not owned any cable tv stuff since TIVO was brand spanking new so I'm very out of the loop of what's possible.
I figured the solution would be something like you describe; small time shift to detect commercials and then overlay a powerpoint or something. Is this actually a thing?
TiVo - Oh my,.. I have an upgraded Series 1 and a 3,.. Been on DirecTV for a while now so both are collecting dust.
yeah I retired my Series 1 probably 7 years ago... Love the interface - but with cable - it was pointless.
I had done the nifty 'mega' upgrade to it. Hacked the system by adding a NIC card, more memory and Hard drive. I could control it from any computer in the house,.. and using (I don't remember the software) download shows to watch elsewhere.
But don't really need that now either. Oh and of course, both units are Lifetime subscriptions..
yep.. all the same things I did to mine.. it was pretty awesome back then.
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So I called the MPLC (http://www.mplc.org/) to ask them questions related to an umbrella license. They do have a list of what producers they allow but disney, pixar, etc are all listed. Huge companies as well as independent developers. I was quoted at $545 per year and that is for all content listed under them (which again is a ton) for unlimited viewing. This is just to give you guys an idea based on the information I've received.
This is per address btw not per company.
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@wirestyle22 said:
So I called the MPLC(http://www.mplc.org/) to ask them questions related to an umbrella license. They do have a list of what producers they allow but disney, pixar, etc are all listed. Huge companies as well as independent developers. I was quoted at $545 per year and that is for all content listed under them (which again is a ton) for unlimited viewing. This is just to give you guys an idea based on the information I've received.
This is per address btw not per company.
yeah the same thing goes for music. There are three licenses you have to get when covering music, amounts to around $600/yr/location as well.
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@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
So I called the MPLC(http://www.mplc.org/) to ask them questions related to an umbrella license. They do have a list of what producers they allow but disney, pixar, etc are all listed. Huge companies as well as independent developers. I was quoted at $545 per year and that is for all content listed under them (which again is a ton) for unlimited viewing. This is just to give you guys an idea based on the information I've received.
This is per address btw not per company.
yeah the same thing goes for music. There are three licenses you have to get when covering music, amounts to around $600/yr/location as well.
I specifically asked if the way we view it (provided it's legal) matters (I was very specific) and they said no. If it's DRM free content we can stream it to any device within the building.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
So I called the MPLC(http://www.mplc.org/) to ask them questions related to an umbrella license. They do have a list of what producers they allow but disney, pixar, etc are all listed. Huge companies as well as independent developers. I was quoted at $545 per year and that is for all content listed under them (which again is a ton) for unlimited viewing. This is just to give you guys an idea based on the information I've received.
This is per address btw not per company.
yeah the same thing goes for music. There are three licenses you have to get when covering music, amounts to around $600/yr/location as well.
I specifically asked if the way we view it (provided it's legal) matters (I was very specific) and they said no. If it's DRM free content we can stream it to any device within the building.
I'm pretty sure the same goes for music.
for those reading this - to cover nearly all (there is no solution for all licensed music) you need to subscribe to all three music services.
Wirestyle - did they mention if there were other Movie/TV places to subscribe for more content? i.e. the things not covered by them?
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@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
So I called the MPLC(http://www.mplc.org/) to ask them questions related to an umbrella license. They do have a list of what producers they allow but disney, pixar, etc are all listed. Huge companies as well as independent developers. I was quoted at $545 per year and that is for all content listed under them (which again is a ton) for unlimited viewing. This is just to give you guys an idea based on the information I've received.
This is per address btw not per company.
yeah the same thing goes for music. There are three licenses you have to get when covering music, amounts to around $600/yr/location as well.
I specifically asked if the way we view it (provided it's legal) matters (I was very specific) and they said no. If it's DRM free content we can stream it to any device within the building.
Now - that said, Netflix can still by agreement say you can't use them for business purposes, even if you pay the fees that @wirestyle22 found.
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@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
So I called the MPLC(http://www.mplc.org/) to ask them questions related to an umbrella license. They do have a list of what producers they allow but disney, pixar, etc are all listed. Huge companies as well as independent developers. I was quoted at $545 per year and that is for all content listed under them (which again is a ton) for unlimited viewing. This is just to give you guys an idea based on the information I've received.
This is per address btw not per company.
yeah the same thing goes for music. There are three licenses you have to get when covering music, amounts to around $600/yr/location as well.
I specifically asked if the way we view it (provided it's legal) matters (I was very specific) and they said no. If it's DRM free content we can stream it to any device within the building.
Now - that said, Netflix can still by agreement say you can't use them for business purposes, even if you pay the fees that @wirestyle22 found.
I found them for movies/music not for services. Netflix is still a no go. If the service itself has it's own licensing, the services licensing overrides the studios. I meant it would work for things like Plex but only if it's an in-house Plex server. If it's remote then both buildings would need to have an umbrella license and they would both need to be buildings owned by the same organization.
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@Dashrender said:
I specifically asked if the way we view it (provided it's legal) matters (I was very specific) and they said no. If it's DRM free content we can stream it to any device within the building.
I'm pretty sure the same goes for music.
It does you have to go to the Labels for them usually. Nice thing though with music is once you are licesned you don't have to buy music.. you can just download from the cheap per month services that let you download all the mp3/flac such as https://www.idjpool.com/
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@Jason said:
@wirestyle22 said:
Not really any different than how others do it. You always have to make deals.
They base their licensing costs for new content on assumed viewership. That seems so risky to me considering Hollywood tries to do this and fails every year. Statistical analysis doesn't account for public opinion--at least not well anyway.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@Jason said:
@wirestyle22 said:
Not really any different than how others do it. You always have to make deals.
They base their licensing costs for new content on assumed viewership. That seems so risky to me considering Hollywood tries to do this and fails every year. Statistical analysis doesn't account for public opinion--at least not well anyway.
Not different than when Networks Gamble on TV shows.
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@Jason said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@Jason said:
@wirestyle22 said:
Not really any different than how others do it. You always have to make deals.
They base their licensing costs for new content on assumed viewership. That seems so risky to me considering Hollywood tries to do this and fails every year. Statistical analysis doesn't account for public opinion--at least not well anyway.
Not different than when Networks Gamble on TV shows.
That's true
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Even with those models... they are clearly making enough money - because they are spending TONS making their own series.. so I'm not that worried about Netflix.
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@Dashrender said:
Even with those models... they are clearly making enough money - because they are spending TONS making their own series.. so I'm not that worried about Netflix.
Marco Polo especially. $90 million for season one. $9 million per episode.
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@Dashrender said:
Even with those models... they are clearly making enough money - because they are spending TONS making their own series.. so I'm not that worried about Netflix.
This whole thread makes me laugh, as I'm not worried about any of the entertainment industry's profitability. I'll continue to not follow all these rules and regulations mentioned above, thanks.
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It would be interesting to see a change in Netflix billing based on how much you watch. But a flat $10 for unlimited is really hard to justify going to a per view system.
I could see it now - $0.10 a show, $0.15 for a movie, I'm not sure if I'd get over the $10 a month - could be close... I put re-runs on in the background when I'm working or surfing the web.
