Company's TV - Show your own stuff during commercials?
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@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 I wonder what the legalities of that are?
"While patients waiting on a root canal might enjoy watching "House of Cards" or "Orange Is the New Black," Netflix's terms of use apparently do not allow for any commercial use of any account."
Oh. Wow.
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@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 I wonder what the legalities of that are?
Legalities of using netflix on a company tv? I don't see any issues. It's not like employees can sit their for hours and watch whatever.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 I wonder what the legalities of that are?
"While patients waiting on a root canal might enjoy watching "House of Cards" or "Orange Is the New Black," Netflix's terms of use apparently do not allow for any commercial use of any account."
Oh. Wow.
Exactly... Didn't think they would.
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@IRJ said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 I wonder what the legalities of that are?
Legalities of using netflix on a company tv? I don't see any issues. It's not like employees can sit their for hours and watch whatever.
It's a business use. For example, You can't legally play radio over your PA system without paying licensing fees.
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@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 I wonder what the legalities of that are?
"While patients waiting on a root canal might enjoy watching "House of Cards" or "Orange Is the New Black," Netflix's terms of use apparently do not allow for any commercial use of any account."
Oh. Wow.
Exactly... Didn't think they would.
A tip of the hat to you sir. That's weird to me. I can have 20 people in my place watching Netflix with me. What's the difference? Do they think it's being used as a selling point for a business? I guess restaurants and stuff.
At this point I'd just create my own Netflix using Plex. I have 150 down/150 up fiber at home.
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@IRJ said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 I wonder what the legalities of that are?
Legalities of using netflix on a company tv? I don't see any issues. It's not like employees can sit their for hours and watch whatever.
But Netflix does.
The Netflix service, and any content viewed through our service, are for your personal and non-commercial use only. During your Netflix membership, we grant you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, license to access the Netflix service and view movies and TV shows through the service on a streaming-only basis for that purpose. Except for the foregoing limited license, no right, title or interest shall be transferred to you. You agree not to use the service for public performances.
https://help.netflix.com/legal/termsofuse?locale=en&docType=termsofuse
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@Dashrender said:
@IRJ said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 I wonder what the legalities of that are?
Legalities of using netflix on a company tv? I don't see any issues. It's not like employees can sit their for hours and watch whatever.
It's a business use. For example, You can't legally play radio over your PA system without paying licensing fees.
Depends on what you mean buy Radio. There are services for this. Mood media being the most popular: http://us.moodmedia.com/
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@Jason said:
@IRJ said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 I wonder what the legalities of that are?
Legalities of using netflix on a company tv? I don't see any issues. It's not like employees can sit their for hours and watch whatever.
But Netflix does.
The Netflix service, and any content viewed through our service, are for your personal and non-commercial use only. During your Netflix membership, we grant you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, license to access the Netflix service and view movies and TV shows through the service on a streaming-only basis for that purpose. Except for the foregoing limited license, no right, title or interest shall be transferred to you. You agree not to use the service for public performances.
https://help.netflix.com/legal/termsofuse?locale=en&docType=termsofuse
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@wirestyle22 said:
At this point I'd just create my own Netflix using Plex. I have 150 down/150 up fiber at home.
You'd still need commercial use licenses for showing the movies. The rule doesn't come from netflix themsevles but the content creators. Buy a DVD at walmart? That's for private showings at home home only.
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@Jason said:
@wirestyle22 said:
At this point I'd just create my own Netflix using Plex. I have 150 down/150 up fiber at home.
You'd still need commercial use licenses for showing the movies. The rule doesn't come from netflix themsevles but the content creators. Buy a DVD at walmart? That's for private showings at home home only.
I wonder what obligations you are under to show content in a business that is not for profit.
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@Dashrender said:
@gjacobse said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Interesting - so you'd have to some some type of logic box that could tell when ads were playing - swap the video out source to one it controls, then cut back to cable when the ads were over.
Without some sort of DVR ability I it won't be seamless.
I've not owned any cable tv stuff since TIVO was brand spanking new so I'm very out of the loop of what's possible.
I figured the solution would be something like you describe; small time shift to detect commercials and then overlay a powerpoint or something. Is this actually a thing?
TiVo - Oh my,.. I have an upgraded Series 1 and a 3,.. Been on DirecTV for a while now so both are collecting dust.
yeah I retired my Series 1 probably 7 years ago... Love the interface - but with cable - it was pointless.
I had done the nifty 'mega' upgrade to it. Hacked the system by adding a NIC card, more memory and Hard drive. I could control it from any computer in the house,.. and using (I don't remember the software) download shows to watch elsewhere.
But don't really need that now either. Oh and of course, both units are Lifetime subscriptions..
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Q: We don’t charge admission. Do we still need a license?
A: Yes. A license is required regardless of whether an admission fee is charged. However, the Umbrella License covers only those situations where admission is not charged.Q: We’re a non-profit organization. Do we still need a license?
A: Yes. Under the law, it doesn’t matter if you’re a non-profit or for-profit organization. You are required to have a public performance license to show motion pictures and other audiovisual works. -
@wirestyle22 said:
@Jason said:
@wirestyle22 said:
At this point I'd just create my own Netflix using Plex. I have 150 down/150 up fiber at home.
You'd still need commercial use licenses for showing the movies. The rule doesn't come from netflix themsevles but the content creators. Buy a DVD at walmart? That's for private showings at home home only.
I wonder what obligations you are under to show content in a business that is not for profit.
Doesn't matter if it's for public viewing.. It needs a license. You will usually need to buy them on a per movie basis.
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@gjacobse said:
@Dashrender said:
@gjacobse said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Interesting - so you'd have to some some type of logic box that could tell when ads were playing - swap the video out source to one it controls, then cut back to cable when the ads were over.
Without some sort of DVR ability I it won't be seamless.
I've not owned any cable tv stuff since TIVO was brand spanking new so I'm very out of the loop of what's possible.
I figured the solution would be something like you describe; small time shift to detect commercials and then overlay a powerpoint or something. Is this actually a thing?
TiVo - Oh my,.. I have an upgraded Series 1 and a 3,.. Been on DirecTV for a while now so both are collecting dust.
yeah I retired my Series 1 probably 7 years ago... Love the interface - but with cable - it was pointless.
I had done the nifty 'mega' upgrade to it. Hacked the system by adding a NIC card, more memory and Hard drive. I could control it from any computer in the house,.. and using (I don't remember the software) download shows to watch elsewhere.
But don't really need that now either. Oh and of course, both units are Lifetime subscriptions..
yep.. all the same things I did to mine.. it was pretty awesome back then.
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So I called the MPLC (http://www.mplc.org/) to ask them questions related to an umbrella license. They do have a list of what producers they allow but disney, pixar, etc are all listed. Huge companies as well as independent developers. I was quoted at $545 per year and that is for all content listed under them (which again is a ton) for unlimited viewing. This is just to give you guys an idea based on the information I've received.
This is per address btw not per company.
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@wirestyle22 said:
So I called the MPLC(http://www.mplc.org/) to ask them questions related to an umbrella license. They do have a list of what producers they allow but disney, pixar, etc are all listed. Huge companies as well as independent developers. I was quoted at $545 per year and that is for all content listed under them (which again is a ton) for unlimited viewing. This is just to give you guys an idea based on the information I've received.
This is per address btw not per company.
yeah the same thing goes for music. There are three licenses you have to get when covering music, amounts to around $600/yr/location as well.
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@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
So I called the MPLC(http://www.mplc.org/) to ask them questions related to an umbrella license. They do have a list of what producers they allow but disney, pixar, etc are all listed. Huge companies as well as independent developers. I was quoted at $545 per year and that is for all content listed under them (which again is a ton) for unlimited viewing. This is just to give you guys an idea based on the information I've received.
This is per address btw not per company.
yeah the same thing goes for music. There are three licenses you have to get when covering music, amounts to around $600/yr/location as well.
I specifically asked if the way we view it (provided it's legal) matters (I was very specific) and they said no. If it's DRM free content we can stream it to any device within the building.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
So I called the MPLC(http://www.mplc.org/) to ask them questions related to an umbrella license. They do have a list of what producers they allow but disney, pixar, etc are all listed. Huge companies as well as independent developers. I was quoted at $545 per year and that is for all content listed under them (which again is a ton) for unlimited viewing. This is just to give you guys an idea based on the information I've received.
This is per address btw not per company.
yeah the same thing goes for music. There are three licenses you have to get when covering music, amounts to around $600/yr/location as well.
I specifically asked if the way we view it (provided it's legal) matters (I was very specific) and they said no. If it's DRM free content we can stream it to any device within the building.
I'm pretty sure the same goes for music.
for those reading this - to cover nearly all (there is no solution for all licensed music) you need to subscribe to all three music services.
Wirestyle - did they mention if there were other Movie/TV places to subscribe for more content? i.e. the things not covered by them?
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@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
So I called the MPLC(http://www.mplc.org/) to ask them questions related to an umbrella license. They do have a list of what producers they allow but disney, pixar, etc are all listed. Huge companies as well as independent developers. I was quoted at $545 per year and that is for all content listed under them (which again is a ton) for unlimited viewing. This is just to give you guys an idea based on the information I've received.
This is per address btw not per company.
yeah the same thing goes for music. There are three licenses you have to get when covering music, amounts to around $600/yr/location as well.
I specifically asked if the way we view it (provided it's legal) matters (I was very specific) and they said no. If it's DRM free content we can stream it to any device within the building.
Now - that said, Netflix can still by agreement say you can't use them for business purposes, even if you pay the fees that @wirestyle22 found.
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@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
So I called the MPLC(http://www.mplc.org/) to ask them questions related to an umbrella license. They do have a list of what producers they allow but disney, pixar, etc are all listed. Huge companies as well as independent developers. I was quoted at $545 per year and that is for all content listed under them (which again is a ton) for unlimited viewing. This is just to give you guys an idea based on the information I've received.
This is per address btw not per company.
yeah the same thing goes for music. There are three licenses you have to get when covering music, amounts to around $600/yr/location as well.
I specifically asked if the way we view it (provided it's legal) matters (I was very specific) and they said no. If it's DRM free content we can stream it to any device within the building.
Now - that said, Netflix can still by agreement say you can't use them for business purposes, even if you pay the fees that @wirestyle22 found.
I found them for movies/music not for services. Netflix is still a no go. If the service itself has it's own licensing, the services licensing overrides the studios. I meant it would work for things like Plex but only if it's an in-house Plex server. If it's remote then both buildings would need to have an umbrella license and they would both need to be buildings owned by the same organization.
