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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      What is even "worse", if anything can be, is that the Cisco Platinum Partner host that was hosting the event decided to play along and not call their bluff and hope that the audience, which was all IT people, wouldn't notice!! That or they actually weren't aware of what a realistic lie about networking would sound like.

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      • wrx7mW
        wrx7m
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        I use Cat6 here and the cable is a little thicker and the individual strands for the cable I get are 23 AWG so they are a little more work to crimp the RJ45 ends on because they don't straighten as easily as 24 AWG. Patching is just as easy as Cat5E.

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        • brianlittlejohnB
          brianlittlejohn @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said:

          What is even "worse", if anything can be, is that the Cisco Platinum Partner host that was hosting the event decided to play along and not call their bluff and hope that the audience, which was all IT people, wouldn't notice!! That or they actually weren't aware of what a realistic lie about networking would sound like.

          I don't even want to imagine how much the Cisco router would be that could handle 14Tb/s ...

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @brianlittlejohn
            last edited by

            @brianlittlejohn said:

            @scottalanmiller said:

            What is even "worse", if anything can be, is that the Cisco Platinum Partner host that was hosting the event decided to play along and not call their bluff and hope that the audience, which was all IT people, wouldn't notice!! That or they actually weren't aware of what a realistic lie about networking would sound like.

            I don't even want to imagine how much the Cisco router would be that could handle 14Tb/s ...

            Hard to imagine Cisco ever being able to handle that. Ubiquiti will be doing 1Pb/s before Cisco figures TB/s out!

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            • wirestyle22W
              wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said:

              @brianlittlejohn said:

              @scottalanmiller said:

              What is even "worse", if anything can be, is that the Cisco Platinum Partner host that was hosting the event decided to play along and not call their bluff and hope that the audience, which was all IT people, wouldn't notice!! That or they actually weren't aware of what a realistic lie about networking would sound like.

              I don't even want to imagine how much the Cisco router would be that could handle 14Tb/s ...

              Hard to imagine Cisco ever being able to handle that. Ubiquiti will be doing 1Pb/s before Cisco figures TB/s out!

              Ubiquiti gets all the street cred (and probably all the single ladies too).

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              • J
                Jason Banned
                last edited by Jason

                We do all CAT6A here. Cable is fairly cheap.. It's the install that costs us.

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                • NattNattN
                  NattNatt @MattSpeller
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                  @MattSpeller said:

                  @NattNatt said:

                  Company now uses all Cat6 - but I miss Cat 5e, was easier to run and terminate, easier to bend etc too...

                  You won't miss 5e in a couple years when 10gig switching is dirt cheap

                  No doubt...but we'll no doubt have re-run ALL the cables at least 3 times before then... 😉

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                  • MattSpellerM
                    MattSpeller @NattNatt
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                    @NattNatt said:

                    @MattSpeller said:

                    @NattNatt said:

                    Company now uses all Cat6 - but I miss Cat 5e, was easier to run and terminate, easier to bend etc too...

                    You won't miss 5e in a couple years when 10gig switching is dirt cheap

                    No doubt...but we'll no doubt have re-run ALL the cables at least 3 times before then... 😉

                    Hahaha I was going to say "or you'll have moved by then"

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                    • NattNattN
                      NattNatt @MattSpeller
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                      @MattSpeller said:

                      @NattNatt said:

                      @MattSpeller said:

                      @NattNatt said:

                      Company now uses all Cat6 - but I miss Cat 5e, was easier to run and terminate, easier to bend etc too...

                      You won't miss 5e in a couple years when 10gig switching is dirt cheap

                      No doubt...but we'll no doubt have re-run ALL the cables at least 3 times before then... 😉

                      Hahaha I was going to say "or you'll have moved by then"

                      Apparently the boss is trying to procure the building that's opposite us, and plans to bridge across into that too...If we get it, it'll be awesome...but the company who own it are fairly massive, so we shall see....

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                      • MattSpellerM
                        MattSpeller @NattNatt
                        last edited by MattSpeller

                        @NattNatt No worries there, just string cat6 through a couple windows, give it a tug to get the droop out 😉

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                        • Mike DavisM
                          Mike Davis
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                          I'm running all CAT6 for premise wiring. I might still use some CAT5e patch cables, but those are easily enough swapped out. I have heard of some PoE+ cameras burning up when run over CAT 5 cable. I don't want to have to go and rewire a building because I saved a few bucks on the cable.

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @Mike Davis
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                            @Mike-Davis said:

                            I'm running all CAT6 for premise wiring. I might still use some CAT5e patch cables, but those are easily enough swapped out. I have heard of some PoE+ cameras burning up when run over CAT 5 cable. I don't want to have to go and rewire a building because I saved a few bucks on the cable.

                            That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.

                            A camera burning up would be more likely to have been caused by poor termination or damage to the cable when it was ran. Of course the wire could be bad internally, but in more than 7 years professionally installing alarm systems (some on ethernet) and another 17 doing network cabling intermittently, I have never had a box of bad cable. I am sure it happens, but I have never seen it.

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                              Jason Banned @JaredBusch
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                              @JaredBusch said:

                              @Mike-Davis said:

                              I'm running all CAT6 for premise wiring. I might still use some CAT5e patch cables, but those are easily enough swapped out. I have heard of some PoE+ cameras burning up when run over CAT 5 cable. I don't want to have to go and rewire a building because I saved a few bucks on the cable.

                              That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.

                              A camera burning up would be more likely to have been caused by poor termination or damage to the cable when it was ran. Of course the wire could be bad internally, but in more than 7 years professionally installing alarm systems (some on ethernet) and another 17 doing network cabling intermittently, I have never had a box of bad cable. I am sure it happens, but I have never seen it.

                              Most manufacturs test the whole spool as one before it ships. I don't think I've ever seen bad cable either only bad termination or b damaged cable from installers putting too much stress on a cable.

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                              • NattNattN
                                NattNatt @MattSpeller
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                                @MattSpeller said:

                                @NattNatt No worries there, just string cat6 through a couple windows, give it a tug to get the droop out 😉

                                That works with fibre too right? 😉

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                                • Mike DavisM
                                  Mike Davis @JaredBusch
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                                  @JaredBusch said:

                                  That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.

                                  I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?

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                                  • JaredBuschJ
                                    JaredBusch @Mike Davis
                                    last edited by

                                    @Mike-Davis said:

                                    @JaredBusch said:

                                    That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.

                                    I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?

                                    Possibly. What is the wattage draw on the unit?

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                                    • wirestyle22W
                                      wirestyle22 @Mike Davis
                                      last edited by wirestyle22

                                      @Mike-Davis said:

                                      @JaredBusch said:

                                      That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.

                                      I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?

                                      You mean a heater as in a heating unit? I guess? A quality cat5e cable will tolerate temperatures from -4 to 167 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep in mind I run a lot of cabling for my company but I am by no means a cabling guru. Maybe they know something I don't. shrug

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
                                        last edited by

                                        @wirestyle22 said:

                                        @Mike-Davis said:

                                        @JaredBusch said:

                                        That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.

                                        I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?

                                        You mean a heater as in a heating unit? I guess? A quality cat5e cable will tolerate temperatures from -4 to 167 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep in mind I run a lot of cabling for my company but I am by no means a cabling guru. Maybe they know something I don't. shrug

                                        He means a heater in the camera enclosure.

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                                        • NattNattN
                                          NattNatt @scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          @wirestyle22 said:

                                          @Mike-Davis said:

                                          @JaredBusch said:

                                          That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.

                                          I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?

                                          You mean a heater as in a heating unit? I guess? A quality cat5e cable will tolerate temperatures from -4 to 167 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep in mind I run a lot of cabling for my company but I am by no means a cabling guru. Maybe they know something I don't. shrug

                                          He means a heater in the camera enclosure.

                                          Whats the point in that? I'm guessing reduce fog/ice etc?

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @NattNatt
                                            last edited by

                                            @NattNatt said:

                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            @wirestyle22 said:

                                            @Mike-Davis said:

                                            @JaredBusch said:

                                            That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.

                                            I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?

                                            You mean a heater as in a heating unit? I guess? A quality cat5e cable will tolerate temperatures from -4 to 167 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep in mind I run a lot of cabling for my company but I am by no means a cabling guru. Maybe they know something I don't. shrug

                                            He means a heater in the camera enclosure.

                                            Whats the point in that? I'm guessing reduce fog/ice etc?

                                            Yup.

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