CAT6 End to End?
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@Dashrender said:
@david.wiese said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@david.wiese said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@aaronstuder said:
Do you run CAT 6 End to End? or Do you use 5e sometimes?
Pretty much just CAT5e. Cheaper, easier to run.
how is it easier to run? It all depends on if you get solid to stranded wire.
Even all stranded, CAT6 is quite a bit more effort.
I've pulled 5e and 6 in through the rafters in my shop and to me there is no discernable difference between the 2. Even when punching down/terminating the cables.
Did you use CAT certified panels and RJ45's?
we use keystones and punchdown blocks. I typically don't terminate with rj45s
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@scottalanmiller said:
@david.wiese said:
I've pulled 5e and 6 in through the rafters in my shop and to me there is no discernable difference between the 2. Even when punching down/terminating the cables.
Can't explain how you see them as the same, the termination components that I've seen are quite different, so much so that one is very easy and one is rather difficult.
The termination is a bit different, not much though. After a little practice I can terminate a cat6 just as fast as cat5e with RJ45 plugs. As far as punchdown and keystone jacks they are the same.
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@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@aaronstuder said:
Do you run CAT 6 End to End? or Do you use 5e sometimes?
The exception would be if you're doing a lot of video streaming, etc.
internally. If you're streaming from the internet, unless you're streaming at greater than 1 Gb, it would still be pointless
Correct sir!
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@brianlittlejohn said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@david.wiese said:
I've pulled 5e and 6 in through the rafters in my shop and to me there is no discernable difference between the 2. Even when punching down/terminating the cables.
Can't explain how you see them as the same, the termination components that I've seen are quite different, so much so that one is very easy and one is rather difficult.
The termination is a bit different, not much though. After a little practice I can terminate a cat6 just as fast as cat5e with RJ45 plugs. As far as punchdown and keystone jacks they are the same.
Still slower for me, due to the fiddly plastic core that needs cutting out...
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@NattNatt said:
Company now uses all Cat6 - but I miss Cat 5e, was easier to run and terminate, easier to bend etc too...
You won't miss 5e in a couple years when 10gig switching is dirt cheap
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@MattSpeller said:
@NattNatt said:
Company now uses all Cat6 - but I miss Cat 5e, was easier to run and terminate, easier to bend etc too...
You won't miss 5e in a couple years when 10gig switching is dirt cheap
I'm pretty sure this is what they promised a few years before Mad Max became actual human history but what do I know. My network is held together by bubblegum and soothing words
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@MattSpeller said:
@NattNatt said:
Company now uses all Cat6 - but I miss Cat 5e, was easier to run and terminate, easier to bend etc too...
You won't miss 5e in a couple years when 10gig switching is dirt cheap
That will be a few years yet, and I don't see adoption being that rapid. Few people have a means of using that even today.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@MattSpeller said:
@NattNatt said:
Company now uses all Cat6 - but I miss Cat 5e, was easier to run and terminate, easier to bend etc too...
You won't miss 5e in a couple years when 10gig switching is dirt cheap
I'm pretty sure this is what they promised a few years before Mad Max became actual human history but what do I k now. My network is held together by bubblegum and soothing words
Blood, sweat and bailing wire here - can relate.
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@MattSpeller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@MattSpeller said:
@NattNatt said:
Company now uses all Cat6 - but I miss Cat 5e, was easier to run and terminate, easier to bend etc too...
You won't miss 5e in a couple years when 10gig switching is dirt cheap
I'm pretty sure this is what they promised a few years before Mad Max became actual human history but what do I k now. My network is held together by bubblegum and soothing words
Blood, sweat and bailing wire here - can relate.
Me as a sysadmin
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
@NattNatt said:
Company now uses all Cat6 - but I miss Cat 5e, was easier to run and terminate, easier to bend etc too...
You won't miss 5e in a couple years when 10gig switching is dirt cheap
That will be a few years yet, and I don't see adoption being that rapid. Few people have a means of using that even today.
With the prevalence of cloud computing it may just never see the demand that gig got. I think that'll be the primary hiccup in it's adoption. That and quality WIFI anyway.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
@NattNatt said:
Company now uses all Cat6 - but I miss Cat 5e, was easier to run and terminate, easier to bend etc too...
You won't miss 5e in a couple years when 10gig switching is dirt cheap
That will be a few years yet, and I don't see adoption being that rapid. Few people have a means of using that even today.
With the prevalence of cloud computing it may just never see the demand that gig got. I think that'll be the primary hiccup in it's adoption. That and quality WIFI anyway.
In the datacenter I definitely see 10 GbE taking over... but at the end point - no way except for rare specialty conditions - like the video processing station.
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And here five years ago Cisco said that if we didn't have 14Tb/s to the desktop that YouTube would be dead.
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@scottalanmiller said:
And here five years ago Cisco said that if we didn't have 14Tb/s to the desktop that YouTube would be dead.
LOL - did you say 14 TB to the desktop?
What did they expect the internet to be Pb connection to the internet?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And here five years ago Cisco said that if we didn't have 14Tb/s to the desktop that YouTube would be dead.
LOL - did you say 14 TB to the desktop?
What did they expect the internet to be Pb connection to the internet?
Yup, that's actually what Cisco's engineer at a SpiceCorps even told us. Told us we were all fools and backwards for still having GigE connections. He explained that Cisco's technology was so advanced that in no time, like later that year, video services would required so much bandwidth that if we didn't have 14Tb/s to the desktop that things wouldn't work for us any more.
That was the nail in the coffin for my respect for Cisco. This was a Cisco internal engineer with less networking knowledge than I would expect from a typical middles schooler. What they think of the intelligence of their end users was apparent and there is no way that I would ever let myself be counted in that group after that.
It was offensive to the audience and embarrassing for Cisco. He went on and on about how awesome Cisco was having such technology (they still don't have anything like that half a decade later) and how silly we were for not already using it.
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What is even "worse", if anything can be, is that the Cisco Platinum Partner host that was hosting the event decided to play along and not call their bluff and hope that the audience, which was all IT people, wouldn't notice!! That or they actually weren't aware of what a realistic lie about networking would sound like.
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I use Cat6 here and the cable is a little thicker and the individual strands for the cable I get are 23 AWG so they are a little more work to crimp the RJ45 ends on because they don't straighten as easily as 24 AWG. Patching is just as easy as Cat5E.
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@scottalanmiller said:
What is even "worse", if anything can be, is that the Cisco Platinum Partner host that was hosting the event decided to play along and not call their bluff and hope that the audience, which was all IT people, wouldn't notice!! That or they actually weren't aware of what a realistic lie about networking would sound like.
I don't even want to imagine how much the Cisco router would be that could handle 14Tb/s ...
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@brianlittlejohn said:
@scottalanmiller said:
What is even "worse", if anything can be, is that the Cisco Platinum Partner host that was hosting the event decided to play along and not call their bluff and hope that the audience, which was all IT people, wouldn't notice!! That or they actually weren't aware of what a realistic lie about networking would sound like.
I don't even want to imagine how much the Cisco router would be that could handle 14Tb/s ...
Hard to imagine Cisco ever being able to handle that. Ubiquiti will be doing 1Pb/s before Cisco figures TB/s out!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
@scottalanmiller said:
What is even "worse", if anything can be, is that the Cisco Platinum Partner host that was hosting the event decided to play along and not call their bluff and hope that the audience, which was all IT people, wouldn't notice!! That or they actually weren't aware of what a realistic lie about networking would sound like.
I don't even want to imagine how much the Cisco router would be that could handle 14Tb/s ...
Hard to imagine Cisco ever being able to handle that. Ubiquiti will be doing 1Pb/s before Cisco figures TB/s out!
Ubiquiti gets all the street cred (and probably all the single ladies too).
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We do all CAT6A here. Cable is fairly cheap.. It's the install that costs us.
