What Is Your Educational Goal
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Yeah, You've had more jobs in 1-2 years than I've had in a life time.
That was like six years. That was all through high school and the college years.
I was guessing so.. but that doesn't make my statement wrong. lol
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I had over 40 jobs in IT in my first several years in IT. I was a contractor so moved from job to job rapidly.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I had over 40 jobs in IT in my first several years in IT. I was a contractor so moved from job to job rapidly.
Yeah, contracting - I personally consider it a bit different, that's really kinda lumped all under either self employment or you working for a consulting firm... at least that's how I view it.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I had over 40 jobs in IT in my first several years in IT. I was a contractor so moved from job to job rapidly.
Yeah, contracting - I personally consider it a bit different, that's really kinda lumped all under either self employment or you working for a consulting firm... at least that's how I view it.
Except generally neither is true. You are certainly not self employed and rarely do you work for a consulting firm. Those are misconceptions of the industry. You literally move from one employer to another very rapidly. Being a full time employee of one company and/or being self employed are completely different things.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Except generally neither is true. You are certainly not self employed and rarely do you work for a consulting firm.
I would disagree with that because my personal experience is that I know many people that work IT consulting via agencies. Not doing it themselves. Prior to getting social via SW and ML, I knew exactly 2 people that did it themselves as you did.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I had over 40 jobs in IT in my first several years in IT. I was a contractor so moved from job to job rapidly.
Yeah, contracting - I personally consider it a bit different, that's really kinda lumped all under either self employment or you working for a consulting firm... at least that's how I view it.
Except generally neither is true. You are certainly not self employed and rarely do you work for a consulting firm. Those are misconceptions of the industry. You literally move from one employer to another very rapidly. Being a full time employee of one company and/or being self employed are completely different things.
Really? That seems like a lot of headache for them the hire you on for a 2-6 month contract as a full time employee, then term you at the end.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Except generally neither is true. You are certainly not self employed and rarely do you work for a consulting firm.
I would disagree with that because my personal experience is that I know many people that work IT consulting via agencies. Not doing it themselves. Prior to getting social via SW and ML, I knew exactly 2 people that did it themselves as you did.
via agencies? where did their paycheck come from? directly from the companies they worked for, or from the agency?
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@Dashrender said:
Really? That seems like a lot of headache for them the hire you on for a 2-6 month contract as a full time employee, then term you at the end.
That is how contract work works. A lot of businesses do it.
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@Dashrender said:
via agencies? where did their paycheck come from? directly from the companies they worked for, or from the agency?
I've seen it both ways. So technically the ones getting paid via the agency was an employee of the agency, yes. Most got paid from the company they worked at.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Except generally neither is true. You are certainly not self employed and rarely do you work for a consulting firm.
I would disagree with that because my personal experience is that I know many people that work IT consulting via agencies. Not doing it themselves. Prior to getting social via SW and ML, I knew exactly 2 people that did it themselves as you did.
It was through agencies, but never the same agency twice in a row. Almost always through agencies. Except when I would work for Dell.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I had over 40 jobs in IT in my first several years in IT. I was a contractor so moved from job to job rapidly.
Yeah, contracting - I personally consider it a bit different, that's really kinda lumped all under either self employment or you working for a consulting firm... at least that's how I view it.
Except generally neither is true. You are certainly not self employed and rarely do you work for a consulting firm. Those are misconceptions of the industry. You literally move from one employer to another very rapidly. Being a full time employee of one company and/or being self employed are completely different things.
Really? That seems like a lot of headache for them the hire you on for a 2-6 month contract as a full time employee, then term you at the end.
2-6 months? Ha. More like days.
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@Dashrender said:
@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Except generally neither is true. You are certainly not self employed and rarely do you work for a consulting firm.
I would disagree with that because my personal experience is that I know many people that work IT consulting via agencies. Not doing it themselves. Prior to getting social via SW and ML, I knew exactly 2 people that did it themselves as you did.
via agencies? where did their paycheck come from? directly from the companies they worked for, or from the agency?
Agencies of course. That's why agencies are used, they handle the payroll.
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Where you doing the advisement role that you do for many of us here? or something else for these consulting gigs?
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@Dashrender said:
Where you doing the advisement role that you do for many of us here? or something else for these consulting gigs?
This was long ago. I did anything. From desktop support to server racking to emergency systems administration to security work for the fed. Could be anything.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
It's I suppose believable that there are parents that feel this way, but the student/child? Wow - can we say brain washed?
So I blame this on high school. The average (I'm guessing) high school grad has never worked. By the time that @Minion-Queen, @art_of_shred and I were out of high school we each had years of experience (we all went to school together, that's why the example.) I was working as an IT intern at 13, then did farm work till I was legal to get a normal job and worked continuously through the rest of high school and during my college time. So both high school and college were always "sideline" activities to actually being in the real world and having jobs and careers for all of us.
But for lots and lots of people, high school is their entire focus. It is all that they know and, of course, people who work in schools are focused on that as "the whole world" in the same way. If you think about how there is a huge group of people who live their lives reminiscing about the "glory days" of high school and how cool that senior year football game and homecoming dance were and the rest of life is just working the cash register at the local hardware store and being depressed as life is never as good as high school.
We that same crowd exists, one level up, in college. There are tons of adults for whom college was the "glory days" or they imagine that it would have been and they want their kids to have those same awesome memories and they feel that a happy life and a good career are impossible dreams So, avoiding the hell that is their vision of adult life for four years while they party at college avoiding the responsibilities that will follow seems like the only possible way to at least have a memory of what happiness was like.
You never find people with these feelings that also went on to great careers or are happy with where they are in life.
...and THAT is the reason I stopped working for a mid-size public school district after some years of service, about a month ago. Never again, if I can help it. Never again.
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I did K12 school work and I liked it, to some degree. But I answered to no one and it was a small, private school. I'd love to help schools down here in Central America. Their needs are very different.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I did K12 school work and I liked it, to some degree. But I answered to no one and it was a small, private school. I'd love to help schools down here in Central America. Their needs are very different.
The place I was in was VERY political, run by people that shouldn't be waving an iron fist, but instead listen once in a while. As soon as you contradict them, they plug their ears and open their mouths. Did I like the network though? Definitely. It was pretty laid back outside of administration politics.
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I donated all of the gear that the school had, so there was no means for them to say anything
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@BBigford said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
It's I suppose believable that there are parents that feel this way, but the student/child? Wow - can we say brain washed?
So I blame this on high school. The average (I'm guessing) high school grad has never worked. By the time that @Minion-Queen, @art_of_shred and I were out of high school we each had years of experience (we all went to school together, that's why the example.) I was working as an IT intern at 13, then did farm work till I was legal to get a normal job and worked continuously through the rest of high school and during my college time. So both high school and college were always "sideline" activities to actually being in the real world and having jobs and careers for all of us.
But for lots and lots of people, high school is their entire focus. It is all that they know and, of course, people who work in schools are focused on that as "the whole world" in the same way. If you think about how there is a huge group of people who live their lives reminiscing about the "glory days" of high school and how cool that senior year football game and homecoming dance were and the rest of life is just working the cash register at the local hardware store and being depressed as life is never as good as high school.
We that same crowd exists, one level up, in college. There are tons of adults for whom college was the "glory days" or they imagine that it would have been and they want their kids to have those same awesome memories and they feel that a happy life and a good career are impossible dreams So, avoiding the hell that is their vision of adult life for four years while they party at college avoiding the responsibilities that will follow seems like the only possible way to at least have a memory of what happiness was like.
You never find people with these feelings that also went on to great careers or are happy with where they are in life.
...and THAT is the reason I stopped working for a mid-size public school district after some years of service, about a month ago. Never again, if I can help it. Never again.
I ran screaming from K12 IT work, and never looked back. It takes a special kind of sucker to do that job. I wouldn't go back to it if you had a gun to my man parts.
