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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
      last edited by

      OK that's what I thought. The description on the site is a bit misleading.

      Thanks for the clarification.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        Yes, 24x 2.5" and no hardware RAID. Remember that Dell C systems are not for SMBs but for huge enterprise clusters, just like HP DL1xx series. These are designed to be throw-away nodes, not stand alone enterprise servers. What is your use case for looking at something other than the PowerEdge R series?

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403
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          Backup storage for the virtualization project you're aware of.

          Just calculating what I might need to put something in a colo if the conversation comes up.

          All storage space included (C: Drives and shares) Looking at 5841 GB.

          To do full backups using NAUBackup (weekly or 4 times a month) we'd need 23364 GB of storage.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403
            last edited by

            The 5841 GB is "used" space.

            Space that's on the each drive regardless if it's 100% used. (none are) But just trying to do the math on this.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
              last edited by

              @DustinB3403 said:

              Just calculating what I might need to put something in a colo if the conversation comes up.

              Exactly where "throw away" servers are a horrible fit. You don't want equipment designed to be replaced, rather than replaired, in a colo where the cost to get gear in and out is high.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender
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                You already know that the 2 TB drives are going to cost you $400 ea at that size. Sure this is the way you want to go?

                If you move to 3.5" drives you can move up to 6 TB drives. Assuming you can do consumer drives, you're looking at approx $200 a drive for 3 times the storage.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  @DustinB3403 said:

                  Backup storage for the virtualization project you're aware of.

                  Why use a "disposable" server with high cost enterprise drives instead of an enterprise server with consumer SATA drives? LFF SATA is so much cheaper per GB, perfect for backup systems.

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    Just spitballing the idea's and it was the first device I came across. 3.5 SATA would work as well.

                    Should I be more concerned about URE's (etc) on consumer SATA's at this sort of setup?

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      This would only be for off-host backup, but written to weekly if my plan is decided on.

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403
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                        Not including the incrementals which are written ever hour, stored for 72 hours and then dumped.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          Should I be more concerned about URE's (etc) on consumer SATA's at this sort of setup?

                          Depends on the RAID level that you decide to use.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403
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                            Spinning rust, RAID 10 of course.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                              last edited by

                              @DustinB3403 said:

                              Just spitballing the idea's and it was the first device I came across. 3.5 SATA would work as well.

                              But it is not a viable device, so any information about it is misleading. Only use viable devices, even when spitballing.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                last edited by

                                @DustinB3403 said:

                                Spinning rust, RAID 10 of course.

                                Then no, UREs are not a factor.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  @DustinB3403 said:

                                  Just spitballing the idea's and it was the first device I came across. 3.5 SATA would work as well.

                                  But it is not a viable device, so any information about it is misleading. Only use viable devices, even when spitballing.

                                  What makes it non via? I'm assuming you can add a RAID controller?

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                    @Dashrender said:

                                    What makes it non via? I'm assuming you can add a RAID controller?

                                    Everything about a C series is designed to be disposable. Everything. Non-redundant parts, cheaper parts. This is literally a disposable node design, like a BackBlaze POD. This is designed exclusively for situations where you have many redundant nodes and you don't care if one or two just die on you.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
                                      last edited by

                                      Cheap for a reason. The C stands for Cluster.

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        Cheap for a reason. The C stands for Cluster.

                                        As in Cluster F*** I'm guessing then.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by

                                          Ha ha, no not really, but that is a great way to think about it.

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                                          • DustinB3403D
                                            DustinB3403
                                            last edited by

                                            So really my only choice would be something like a R720XD.

                                            Loaded with 12 6TB SATA drives in RAID 10.

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