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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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      @DustinB3403 said:

      Just calculating what I might need to put something in a colo if the conversation comes up.

      Exactly where "throw away" servers are a horrible fit. You don't want equipment designed to be replaced, rather than replaired, in a colo where the cost to get gear in and out is high.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender
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        You already know that the 2 TB drives are going to cost you $400 ea at that size. Sure this is the way you want to go?

        If you move to 3.5" drives you can move up to 6 TB drives. Assuming you can do consumer drives, you're looking at approx $200 a drive for 3 times the storage.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
          last edited by

          @DustinB3403 said:

          Backup storage for the virtualization project you're aware of.

          Why use a "disposable" server with high cost enterprise drives instead of an enterprise server with consumer SATA drives? LFF SATA is so much cheaper per GB, perfect for backup systems.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403
            last edited by

            Just spitballing the idea's and it was the first device I came across. 3.5 SATA would work as well.

            Should I be more concerned about URE's (etc) on consumer SATA's at this sort of setup?

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403
              last edited by

              This would only be for off-host backup, but written to weekly if my plan is decided on.

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              • DustinB3403D
                DustinB3403
                last edited by

                Not including the incrementals which are written ever hour, stored for 72 hours and then dumped.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  @DustinB3403 said:

                  Should I be more concerned about URE's (etc) on consumer SATA's at this sort of setup?

                  Depends on the RAID level that you decide to use.

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    Spinning rust, RAID 10 of course.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      Just spitballing the idea's and it was the first device I came across. 3.5 SATA would work as well.

                      But it is not a viable device, so any information about it is misleading. Only use viable devices, even when spitballing.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        Spinning rust, RAID 10 of course.

                        Then no, UREs are not a factor.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          Just spitballing the idea's and it was the first device I came across. 3.5 SATA would work as well.

                          But it is not a viable device, so any information about it is misleading. Only use viable devices, even when spitballing.

                          What makes it non via? I'm assuming you can add a RAID controller?

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                            @Dashrender said:

                            What makes it non via? I'm assuming you can add a RAID controller?

                            Everything about a C series is designed to be disposable. Everything. Non-redundant parts, cheaper parts. This is literally a disposable node design, like a BackBlaze POD. This is designed exclusively for situations where you have many redundant nodes and you don't care if one or two just die on you.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller
                              last edited by

                              Cheap for a reason. The C stands for Cluster.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                Cheap for a reason. The C stands for Cluster.

                                As in Cluster F*** I'm guessing then.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  Ha ha, no not really, but that is a great way to think about it.

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403
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                                    So really my only choice would be something like a R720XD.

                                    Loaded with 12 6TB SATA drives in RAID 10.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @DustinB3403
                                      last edited by

                                      @DustinB3403 said:

                                      So really my only choice would be something like a R720XD.

                                      Loaded with 12 6TB SATA drives in RAID 10.

                                      Would you need RAID 10 for this? Maybe RAID 6 would work for this use case?

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403
                                        last edited by

                                        It's a matter of reliability.

                                        Using consumer grade SATA drives RAID10 seems to make more sense, doesn't it?

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                          last edited by

                                          @DustinB3403 said:

                                          So really my only choice would be something like a R720XD.

                                          Loaded with 12 6TB SATA drives in RAID 10.

                                          Why not an R510, much cheaper.

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                                          • DustinB3403D
                                            DustinB3403
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                                            Plus moving as much data as we have off weekly the write speed gain would be worth it.

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