@JaredBusch said in Email server options:

@zachary715 said in Email server options:

Also, will they require hardware upgrades if they choose any on-premises option that will add to the project costs?

No. Their current on site hardware can handle it. That hardware will likely see an upgrade in 2020 or 2021.

Even being a year or two down the road, that's extra hardware you know you wouldn't otherwise need if hosted therefore a portion of the hardware upgrade costs should be allocated today in my opinion.

@JaredBusch said in Email server options:

@zachary715 said in Email server options:

you have no intention of maintaining this system outside of backups etc, therefore they have someone already who is skilled enough to do so?

No, we are their outsourced IT department, we will handle it. But when planning, I never plan for us to continue to do so. I obviously hope they continue to have us do so, but I never plan on it.

I think here it's in the best interest of the company then to have some form of hosted solution that's easier to have someone else step into and manage in a scenario where your relationship ended. If I were a key decision maker at the company, no matter how much I liked you and we'd been in business together, that's a risk factor I'd have to consider.

Just curious, if Zoho + spam/malware filtering seemed to check all the boxes at $3/user/mo, would you immediately go Zoho vs EOP1 simply based on cost? Is cost the ultimate factor?

@scottalanmiller said in Email server options:

@zachary715 said in Email server options:

We're of similar size and although I've never had to run an on-prem Exchange server, I'm glad I don't. I'd rather spend my time worrying about other issues. The Exchange Online plan is hard to beat in my opinion.

We run in house email on Zimbra for smaller than that and without the costs and overhead of Exchange, running in house is really not bad. We manage O365 for customers and while O365 is slightly less work on a per user basis, it's not much. O365 is just cumbersome enough to be close to the effort of the system maintenance of something like Zimbra. But when you consider the monthly cost savings, it's been great for us.

In our situation, I'm the only guy here and it would take me some amount of time to learn Zimbra/Mailcow and then deploy it. Then if in 2 years I left, I'm leaving that to someone else to learn. Just doesn't seem smart for us. I would like however to deploy it in a lab just to play with and learn.

@JaredBusch said in Email server options:

Self hosted is obviously a downside to email for a SMB.

We are not in the business of hosting email. I am not adding that liability to our company.

If the client wants self hosted, it exists on their premises or colo or wtf-ever, and we make sure backups etc.

If I understand this comment correctly, you have no intention of maintaining this system outside of backups etc, therefore they have someone already who is skilled enough to do so? Also, will they require hardware upgrades if they choose any on-premises option that will add to the project costs?

We're of similar size and although I've never had to run an on-prem Exchange server, I'm glad I don't. I'd rather spend my time worrying about other issues. The Exchange Online plan is hard to beat in my opinion.

@bnrstnr Yes, I actually just did one the other day on a 860 EVO. I installed the latest version of Magician from their site and after it loaded, it showed a firmware update available. They aren't frequent, but I have seen them from time to time.

I still install it every time. It's how you get firmware updates for your SSD as well as being able to make some performance tweaks if you wish. I generally use it as a performance benchmark though and look for firmware updates

@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:

@bnrstnr said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:

@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:

I use it as well. I do hate focused inbox and turn that off. Like you mentioned, I never have issues finding new emails, they always appear at the top. I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.

There are a few people I work with that sort all emails into a like a million different folders. It's awful. Every time they need to look something up they're searching through folders like crazy. Just leave it all in one place and use the search bar at the top...

No experience with CV though, and focused was certainly a waste of programming time.

I sort into ONE folder. I archive everything I'm done with in one place (okay two, one for work stuff, one for personal.) That's all. So it makes sorting WAY cleaner. But it means CV can't work.

Just archiving mails so that they aren't in your inbox, considered the most basic way people should use email, makes CV a huge problem.

All of my folders are subfolders of my Inbox, so although my Inbox itself is kept clean, I can easily search my Inbox and it searches the entirety of all subfolders. CV doesn't make this any more or less complicated.

Lol moral of this thread is "I don't like conversation view therefore it's stupid and should be banned and anyone who uses it is stupid and doesn't understand organization. Is that about right?

I'm with the others who use CV exclusively. There's no tricks to it or steep learning curve. It keeps things very organized for me. It's easy to delete one e-mail or the entire thread without confusion. I can move individual emails or entire threads into folders without hassle. I don't understand all the confusion and hate.

@black3dynamite said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

https://snake.googlemaps.com/

Why'd you do this to me??

@jmoore said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@zachary715 I missed them all unfortunately and I hate that.

Well I've got good news for you. There's 161 games left to be played :winking_face:

@EddieJennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@zachary715 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Don't know if there are any baseball fans in here, but yesterday's Opening Day games were crazy! Very excited to have baseball back.

I was able to catch the last few innings of the A's game. Unfortunately, this was game 3 for the A's, since they and Seattle played two regular season games in Japan a week ago.

<rant>
It boils my blood that they had to play two regular season games and be in the appropriate mindset for it, and then play three more exhibitions games.
</rant>

That was a great experience for the people of Japan getting to see their hometown legend as he goes out into retirement. Not ideal for the A's maybe, but part of the MLB efforts to expand the game into other parts of the world. The team I follow, the Reds, will be playing down in Mexico in a couple weeks and then later in the year there will be a game or two in London.

@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@zachary715 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Don't know if there are any baseball fans in here, but yesterday's Opening Day games were crazy! Very excited to have baseball back.

Didn't get to watch any yesterday - work got in the way

Here's some quick highlights when you get some time... https://www.mlb.com/news/memorable-moments-from-opening-day-2019

Don't know if there are any baseball fans in here, but yesterday's Opening Day games were crazy! Very excited to have baseball back.

@dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Finished setting up BookStack with LDAP

What a pain but is all good.

This is something I've been looking at doing just haven't stopped to play with yet. Any bumps you ran into that you're willing to share please do to minimize my pains :face_with_stuck-out_tongue:

@manxam said in I have $500 spare!:

@StorageNinja : I don't care about the company, I care about the stock. Having bought a bunch at $12 , I've seen highs as much as $72 with an average of about $62 making for a decently performing stock. This value drops to 40-50 every month-or-so so it's an easy way to make some cash. One can likely make $10+ per share within a few week period. It won't make you rich but it's not a bad payout for no work.

Most researchers forecast a cap somewhere around $100 this year. Currently, growers cannot keep up with the demand here in Canada and many shops are suffering so there's definitely a "need" for their product.

He might as well head down to the casinos if he's going to "invest" this way. The "stock" as you call it IS the company. That's how public markets work. Now I understand what you're saying in that you don't care about the underlying business and that you're just interested in the opportunity that volatility creates, but that's a dangerous game. And those "researchers" are just analysts at firms that make speculative forecasts based on a lot of variables about the underlying business and public sentiment.

I see you've made some nice money in this... Congrats. Just as fast as it can go up though, it can go down so be ready to lose it all next time if you don't time it just right.

@DustinB3403 said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

While an MDM can limit what apps are allowed (or not allowed) the most simple usage is to tag company owned data.

This way if someone leaves the company with their personal cellphone, the MDM policy can wipe out anything tagged as company property.

@JaredBusch thanks for clarifying the point, that this policy is under the security settings. The app is moot to the policy being there or not if one exists at all.

To clarify further, there were no MDM policies set under Device Admin outside of what O365 already applies. I did remove that but that caused it to log out of the account/remove it and when I reconnected things, the problem went away as I anticipated. Still was curious as to why it was happening though. My best guess is what I previously mentioned about him connecting to an open hotspot and it causing the issue.

@JaredBusch said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

@zachary715 said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

@DustinB3403 said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

@zachary715 said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

@DustinB3403 said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

Obviously those instructions are just ripped from Google, but the same process should apply.

He doesn't have any MDM applications installed, therefore none to remove

Did you check the settings to confirm?

Yes I did. Although it was difficult to sift through his list of apps to see if any were installed. Which just reinforces the need to seriously look into a good MDM solution which whitelists certain approved apps which can be installed.

FFS.... He is not telling you to look for an app. You are looking for specific MDM policies in the settings.

Simply making a comment in reference to last portion about "Uninstall the ME MDM App" and how not only was it not installed, but he also had a large portion of other unnecessary apps on his phone. I did also check the Security settings he referenced.

@DustinB3403 said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

@zachary715 said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

@DustinB3403 said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

Obviously those instructions are just ripped from Google, but the same process should apply.

He doesn't have any MDM applications installed, therefore none to remove

Did you check the settings to confirm?

Yes I did. Although it was difficult to sift through his list of apps to see if any were installed. Which just reinforces the need to seriously look into a good MDM solution which whitelists certain approved apps which can be installed.

@DustinB3403 said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

With O365 are you not using an MDM to authorize the device?

Not at this time, no.

@JaredBusch said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

@DustinB3403 said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

@JaredBusch said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

@DustinB3403 said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

An Cert that is good for 24 years. . . yeah sure, I'll just trust that.

That is normal for a self signed cert for a local device. The last thing you want is for the self signed cert on a piece of gear to expire.

While I get that, but Samsung shouldn't have an Fortinet cert, at least you wouldn't think they would.

It doens't something on his device tried to connect to something and Fortigate got in the middle.

My money is on this happened outside the office and the user ignored it until they could come in to IT.

That's what I was wondering. He started noticing it around lunch so I was thinking he could have potentially ran out and connected to some open hotspot, at which point his mail tried to sync and he received that certificate error. My confusion is I would think once he disconnected and connected back to mobile data or our network that it would no longer give that message. Is it possible that the message will continue to stay up until acknowledged in some fashion? Restarting the phone did no good.

@DustinB3403 said in Office365 on Android - Certificate Error:

Obviously those instructions are just ripped from Google, but the same process should apply.

He doesn't have any MDM applications installed, therefore none to remove