@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce That's an insane table desk lol...

How else do you get 3 laptops to fit on a desk?

@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

Additionally, if you look at the Oxford dictionary definition for a "Desktop computer" it clearly cares not about what the components are inside of the system, so long as the intended use is: "a computer suitable for use at an ordinary desk."

Which a RPi very clearly falls into that category since it's not by design a tablet, cellphone etc.

Right now, I have 3 laptops on my desktop...

Yes, you guessed right, my desk has to be this big:

@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

So what the fuck is this about?

Scott and NTG uses Linux on all of their desktops and laptops, so he is desperately trying to say the entire market reflects what he does in his world.

So, in this source, Laptops seem to be lumped in with Desktops.

https://chromeunboxed.com/chromebook-market-share-sales-growth-q3-2020

All this data I found combined, for Linux to be such a large part of usage on laptops as you are thinking, just isn't possible. It would have to mean that not only do laptops make up a much larger portion of the desktop/laptop graph, but SO MUCH more so that Linux would have to be on so many of them that it would have to outweigh the others like OS X. But these graphs are showing that they are Windows... so it's simply not possible.

The data includes both laptops and desktops together, and still, Linux is only in the LOW single digits.

I cannot find a single statistic anywhere on the internet that would suggest Linux usage on Laptop is even close to being significant in comparison to ChromeOS/OS X/Windows. Even if you mentally manipulate the data to kind of like mold it into support of your own bias, it still makes no sense to think Linux on laptops is anything other than nil.

@scottalanmiller said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

It said laptops in the image I included.

I keep looking, but I see PC and desktop, but no laptop.

I did underline it in red in the image.

@scottalanmiller said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@coliver said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@coliver said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@scottalanmiller said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

Linux is number one in laptops

Where are you getting your statistics from?

That doesn't include servers and completely ignores Android. You're proving @scottalanmiller's point here. You have to specify a specific market that Windows is a leader in, specifically PC/Laptop. On the whole of the industry Android/Linux is the leader.

If you read what I quoted, i responded to a very specific piece of what he wrote...

Then I linked some stats to show that specific text of his I quoted was wrong, and then asked where he got his info, because I can't find anything to show otherwise of that specific thing I quoted.

Pay attention. Context matters. The quotes help with that.

Yep, you're right missed the quote.

This is great. I see too often people not acknowledging a mistake they make & the discussion ends up a turd fight.
Well done Mr @coliver.

But he wasn't wrong. Even if he missed the quote, because @Obsolesce didn't pay attention the context and did exactly the thing that he was accusing @coliver of having done.

The assumption here is that I said laptops, but didn't mean it. But that @Obsolesce said desktops and did mean it. That his context matters, and mine doesn't.

But he didn't just quote me, he said to check the quote. If you check the quote, it doesn't match what he was responding with.

It said laptops in the image I included.

You still provided nothing to show anything different.

I will wait for your source but won't hold my breath. On the other hand, there are plenty of sources disproving your laptop theory.

@scottalanmiller said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

I said laptops

Show me.

@scottalanmiller show me where you found that Linux is on more Laptops than Windows.

When all I can find is the opposite. That Windows dominates on both laptop and desktops.

What I found shows Windows dominates the laptop market.

You have provided nothing other than a baseless and incorrect statement until you can show me otherwise.

@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

a turd fight

Yeah, that's pretty much how every discussion here ends these days.

@coliver said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@scottalanmiller said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

Linux is number one in laptops

Where are you getting your statistics from?

That doesn't include servers and completely ignores Android. You're proving @scottalanmiller's point here. You have to specify a specific market that Windows is a leader in, specifically PC/Laptop. On the whole of the industry Android/Linux is the leader.

If you read what I quoted, i responded to a very specific piece of what he wrote...

Then I linked some stats to show that specific text of his I quoted was wrong, and then asked where he got his info, because I can't find anything to show otherwise of that specific thing I quoted.

Pay attention. Context matters. The quotes help with that.

@Eatsshootsandleaves said in Setting up a MS 2019 PKI for secure Wifi access - will this break anything in domain??:

Newbie to Certificate Services and while everything in our domain fine I need to refresh our Wifi setup to be more secure and using certs with EAP-TLS seems to be the best way to go.
Introducing a PKI into our domain is there any chance this may break existing functionality - I only want this PKI for Wifi nothing else. Thanks guys

No, you can bring up a PKI such as AD CS without any impact to existing infrastructure.

Once you distribute certificates, and require them for WiFi connection as in your example, only then will it have an obvious impact.

Of course there are many variables at play, but generally speaking, without any major or crazy numbers in any aspect, it won't mess with anything simply by creating a PKI.

Just make sure to use proper planning in every aspect. It's a PITA to revoke, remove, and redistribute certs because you didn't plan for something and need to make a change.

@scottalanmiller said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

Linux is number one in laptops

Where are you getting your statistics from?

@scottalanmiller said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

Here's another great way to look at it...

The desire for a peer reviewed article to prove the point is telling. When it comes to security, you want peer review.

But that's the point of open source: peer review.

Just write secure code, problem solved.

@Pete-S said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

This is also interesting.

I don't get this chart. For example, what is Debian Linux versus Linux kernel vulnerabilities? And why is each windows OS listed separately when others are not? Windows should be at the top of the list by miles lol.

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@scottalanmiller some interesting statistics:

https://lwn.net/Articles/834085/

@JaredBusch said in Mixed HTTPS warnings:

@Obsolesce said in Mixed HTTPS warnings:

@JaredBusch said in Mixed HTTPS warnings:

@Obsolesce said in Mixed HTTPS warnings:

Why are you still waiting for ML updates and improvements? We all know it's stuck right where it is for the foreseeable future.

Fixing bad images has nothing to do with the platform upgrade issues they have.

Which falls under the improvements category I already mentioned.

Okay @DustinB3403

Touché.

@JaredBusch said in Mixed HTTPS warnings:

@Obsolesce said in Mixed HTTPS warnings:

Why are you still waiting for ML updates and improvements? We all know it's stuck right where it is for the foreseeable future.

Fixing bad images has nothing to do with the platform upgrade issues they have.

Which falls under the improvements category I already mentioned.

@JaredBusch said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@scottalanmiller said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

How do you know how many people are reviewing the source code of the Linux kernel for security vulnerabilities and bugs versus the source code of the Windows OS? I'm not disagreeing with you per se, just the degree of the point.

Well there are three key points here. The first is... we don't care. Open source is equal or better. If zero people externally review the code, that makes it equal. So it doesn't require knowing to know that it is equal or better.

But the second point is, having worked in the enterprise, and just in IT, I've directly worked with massive departments and teams who have very stringent code review processes and are looking at the Linux kernel all of the time. And there are companies pretty much dedicated to just this. As an example, all the big investment banks do this, as do governments, militaries, security firms, researchers, etc. And those are just the big, really obvious ones. There are also firms that test all major open source against automated testing suites both because there is good business in finding bugs in open source, and because it proves your products to sell to vendors.

And thirdly, there are many large companies that all use Linux and need to audit the code for their own use. Examples are IBM, Canonical, Oracle, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Intel, ARM, etc. All of them depend very heavily on the security of Linux and unlike in closed source, they all have a strong interest in "catching each other" if someone was to miss something.

And that leaves out the people.

I've reviewed bits and pieces of the kernel code. It was related to a video bug and not a security review, but still, I have looked at it.

Cannot say that about your god and savior operating system, Windows.

No not Windows. But I do like Windows 10. At least in my own experience it's been solid the last couple years especially. I'm a fan of Ubuntu equally though, but I use the desktop version less because it doesn't do/support some things I like to do as well or as efficiently as Win10 does.

@JaredBusch said in Mixed HTTPS warnings:

@scottalanmiller you still have not fixed it, and now they are dead.

Why are you still waiting for ML updates and improvements? We all know it's stuck right where it is for the foreseeable future.