@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

And the final part to the above is that, businesses like people change. Processes change, software changes, income changes, decision makers change.

These are all things that need to be accounted for before spouting off about how bad a decision is or was and what you'd do in your perfect circle of hell that is @Obsolesce.

Then it's obvious. If everything is changing around the business, why can't the business change? That's just how it works. Business that fail to change as the world around them changes, end up failing or hurting in some way.

Change is not what you're discussing, you've clearly stated that "ya'll picked the wrong software for your business requirements."

The decisions very well could've have been the correct option at the time.

You're now attempting to change tracks when you've made your bed, so now it's time to sleep in it and realize that you've been spouting nonsense about how any business has obviously made the wrong decisions if they don't have the tools they need today.

And what, now too shitty of a business to continuously improve and evolve with the rest of the world?

@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:

@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

He was not impeached. They tried though.

He was impeached twice. He was not convicted and removed.

I see, accused, process started, but not charged or found guilty of anything.

Irregardless of which President was the cause for the proceedings, you have a severe lack of understanding of what the process actually is.

For you and @DustinB3403, kindly help each other with the application of some:

@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

And the final part to the above is that, businesses like people change. Processes change, software changes, income changes, decision makers change.

These are all things that need to be accounted for before spouting off about how bad a decision is or was and what you'd do in your perfect circle of hell that is @Obsolesce.

Then it's obvious. If everything is changing around the business, why can't the business change? That's just how it works. Business that fail to change as the world around them changes, end up failing or hurting in some way.

@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

If they already have and use Excel, then what's the issue? Obviously it not being cross-platform isn't an issue there.

The issue comes from the desire to upgrade to newer versions. Microsoft, while they offer stand-alone installations of Office 2019, now require yearly upgrades if you need those new features.

Many organizations simply don't or won't pay for upgrades year after year for something that has traditionally been supported for several years at a time.

At the same time, they won't pay for O365 to just get access to Microsoft Office (ueo to the total monthly cost increase) from $0 to $12-22 per user.

Then they shouldn't have went down that path to begin with, never made the decision to go with software or platforms and services and business practices that require something that costs money.

Software company wanting to make money from subscription based services is nothing new. If they don't like it they can spend way more resources to move everything and everyone to something else.

Edit: Quoted for posterity.

@Obsolesce you really need to reconsider before you start smashing your keyboard. These decisions aren't mine they are simply decisions that were made who knows how long ago that I have to deal with.

Your inability to understand that past decisions affects the future is very telling.

I'm just saying it's not Microsoft's / MS Office's fault ya'll picked the wrong software for your business requirements.

@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

If they already have and use Excel, then what's the issue? Obviously it not being cross-platform isn't an issue there.

The issue comes from the desire to upgrade to newer versions. Microsoft, while they offer stand-alone installations of Office 2019, now require yearly upgrades if you need those new features.

Many organizations simply don't or won't pay for upgrades year after year for something that has traditionally been supported for several years at a time.

At the same time, they won't pay for O365 to just get access to Microsoft Office (ueo to the total monthly cost increase) from $0 to $12-22 per user.

Then they shouldn't have went down that path to begin with, never made the decision to go with software or platforms and services and business practices that require something that costs money.

Software company wanting to make money from subscription based services is nothing new. If they don't like it they can spend way more resources to move everything and everyone to something else.

@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

He was not impeached. They tried though.

He was impeached twice. He was not convicted and removed.

I see, accused, process started, but not charged or found guilty of anything.

@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce Yeah password protecting a document is very much a legacy process, but so many people and organizations don't migrate to cloud because of other features that don't work in the web version with their legacy password protected excel documents.

I know of at least 3 different organizations that can't effectively use the web version because of the amount of re-design they'd have to do with their Excel documents.

If they already have and use Excel, then what's the issue? Obviously it not being cross-platform isn't an issue there.

@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

white supremist racist asshole who was self dealing and impeached twice for his conduct.

Well, at least not as racist as Biden, if at all.

He was not impeached. They tried though.

@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Obsolesce That's not the same solution at all, even if its mostly compatible.

For instance you can't open password protected documents in Web version.

I didn't know that, but I assume file based password protection is lagacy compared to RBAC file access you'd use in a cloud solution linked to Excel web version.

Then you have file / link sharing and all that, and a ton more available as well.

It just comes down to people doing it wrong in all aspects. So it's not really an issue or down side.

@Pete-S said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Mario-Jakovina said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

I don't know that I would call Excel a great app. IMO it's mediocre at, while I agree it has some features other spreadsheet solutions are adding these too.

I do not see any other spreadsheet that matches (or outperforms) Excel.
In our company we use Excel and LibreOffice Calc as spreadsheets, but Excel is better for us.
We also tried Onlyoffice, but we were not satisfied very soon.

We use OpenOffice Calc and Excel, and Calc is superior in handling csv files for instance.
It's also a cross platform application, which Excel is not.
So there are a number of areas where Excel clearly can't match the performance.

If I somehow need Excel specifically, on an unsupported platform, I use it in the web browser.

Do you lose dns and/or network abilities on the DNS server too?

@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

@Mario-Jakovina said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:

I have met dozens of companies in my country (few, banks, few ISPs), and I do not know of single one that uses Linux for their desktops or laptops.

That's what's being discussed, who is using a Linux Desktop - few as we've discussed repeatedly.

Besides me and my family, I can't think of anyone that uses Linux on their desktops or laptops.
Even I still use Windows most of time (becuase of Excel and few other great apps I miss on Linux)

I don't know that I would call Excel a great app. IMO it's mediocre at, while I agree it has some features other spreadsheet solutions are adding these too.

Server installations are different story, of course

Yeah, even Microsoft says that Linux servers are deployed more than any other OS in Azure. I'm certain AWS, Alibaba etc are all the same.

(sorry for late reply)

No worries.

Did you know that you could have kept this thread cleaner and more readable, increased your post count more, and made it easier to reply to if you would have split your post into like 10 separate posts?

@choppy_sea said in Server 2019 randomly DNS stops:

Forwarders are set to Google and OpenDNS

Can u show the screen where this is set

@choppy_sea said in Server 2019 randomly DNS stops:

@Obsolesce Lots of informational logs but not error or critical logs. I've looked through those and most of them say "I can't find x" because no DNS.

There are a lot of informational logs for directory sync but I'm not able to spot any specific events that look like a trigger.

I meant on the DNS server, the DNS operational logs.

Event logs, dns event logs? What do they say?

I don't see many job descriptions that don't list both, or only say "Linux". Some do obviously, but most I see do not care.

It also depends on the job you want. You can choose exactly what you want to work with. You will find out during initial interview with recruiter or the one after if it matters or not. So no harm in applying. If you only have one listed on your resume, and the contact you when the job description specifies only the othwr, then higher chance they don't care.

But doing well with both is most advantageous.

@dbeato said in how to push 3rd party software updates to domain clients?:

I also posted this a while ago
https://mangolassi.it/topic/20197/install-chocolatey-remotely-on-domain-computers/3

Yeah, but that would require one to use the search.

We can't use Chocolatey, at least the public NuGet repo it uses by default.

But for common apps, I have it 100% automated via Azure DevOps, Intune, and the PSADT.

Another option I'm still looking into for certain apps is using Azure DevOps like above, but then deploying the artifact to a NuGet repo then used by the newer WinGet tool.