@JaredBusch I agree with this!

@Dashrender I have not looked at it as an anti-piracy solution - Good point

@Dashrender said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7 and Windows 8.1:

I wonder - does this also mean that Cisco's iOS is transferable? As I understand it - the licensing for Cisco gear state that the OS on said gear does not transfer to the new (secondary, etc) owner of a device. That this non first owner must purchase the software themselves to legally use it.
Scott - or anyone - know if that's still the case?

That cannot be the case in EU.
And that is huge driving factor for moving more and more licensing from perpetual to subscription based licensing, just as @scottalanmiller mentioned for Office 365

@Dashrender said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7 and Windows 8.1:

I supposed I can understand that. Though when it comes to VL - MS doesn't really have a transfer mechanism, so I'm not sure how you go about transferring those licenses to another owner.

I suppose I can understand that. But that is then technical problem for MS. As I heard, people did not have problems with activating VL licenses (and they can be split also)

@JaredBusch said in The Fundamental Flaw in Not Listening to the Boss:

Source of ideas, potentially. But they also have no idea what makes sense to the business itself, as they have zero insight into the business as a whole.

Agree, but as I said, most companies fail to survive. And not understanding your own business is main reason for it.
But, here we usually promote "best practices" in IT, so I think we should talk about best practices in management too - not just what "most folks do"

@scottalanmiller said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7 and Windows 8.1:

That should mean that the original seller (OEM) can sell it to anyone, too. lol

I'm not sure, because the "first sale" did not occur yet.
The judgement of Court of Justice of EU said this:
"An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his ‘used’ licences allowing the
use of his programs downloaded from the internet
The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is
exhausted on its first sale"

This is the quoted document/judgement that made precedence in this matter (the case of UsedSoft Gmbh vs Oracle corp.):
https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf

@scottalanmiller said in The Fundamental Flaw in Not Listening to the Boss:

Why even hire advisers that you don't listen to?

Well, that is obvious to probably everybody.
But what is less obvious to bad managers, is that employees who are not formal advisers, who are at the bottom of business hierarchy are excellent source of ideas for improvement of business processes. I am talking about all business segments, not just IT.
If you do not use that resources you are wasting them and you are bad manager.

@Dashrender said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7 and Windows 8.1:

What kind of licenses are these?

There are all kinds of licenses on sale Volume, Retail... Those Win7 is Retail, but we can also buy, for example Win10 Enterprise 2016 VL for 65 euros.

@scottalanmiller said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7 and Windows 8.1:

He said he is in the EU. OEM restrictions are illegal there. He can freely transfer licenses of any type. This isn't the US where software sales can be restricted.

This is completly correct - OEM restrictions are illegal, as any restrictions to resell used license.

@Dashrender said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7 and Windows 8.1:

aww - I kinda gathered that from JB's slap down a min ago.. didn't know OEM licensing wasn't legal there.

OEM restriction in original sale is legal I think (you need to buy it with new HW), but after that, the buyer have all rights to resell that license to anybody

@scottalanmiller said in The Fundamental Flaw in Not Listening to the Boss:

But the average company does not do that and does not expect IT to actually provide guidance. Bigger companies, yes.

OK, but most average companies do not last long

the owners or business managers absolutely demand control of IT decisions and IT is just there to look pretty or something.

I think it's not problem who makes decisions - the real question is does management listen to their staff or expect them to "do what they're told to do".
Good management always listen to their subordinates.

@scottalanmiller Yeah, that's annoying, and Win7 is not easy to install on most new hardware.