@thecreativeone91 said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@dafyre said:

@scottalanmiller @handsofqwerty

I've been burned by the Windows software "raid" more than once... Nothing beats a good (tested) backup.

Yeah, which is why I want to deploy a Unitrends Free as well.

There's no exclusions in the current beta version.. I don't think I'd be deploying a beta.

Why not? For an environment as simple as what theirs' would be, I don't see it causing any issues. If we had some odd system, like an AS/400 or the like, then maybe I'd be more hesitant.

In the past, they have always given the product away as a template for Hyper-V or VMware. So you can setup the actual Unitrends install on either Hyper-V or VMware, and you can backup physical machines using it, but you cannot install the Unitrends Free directly onto physical hardware. Does that clear things up?

@dafyre said:

@scottalanmiller @handsofqwerty

I've been burned by the Windows software "raid" more than once... Nothing beats a good (tested) backup.

Yeah, which is why I want to deploy a Unitrends Free as well.

@scottalanmiller said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@handsofqwerty said:

Not sure what you mean by the Microserver having no RAID. You can do RAID on a Microserver. You just have a lot fewer drives you can use as opposed to a full-size server, tower or rack-mounted.

By adding a third party RAID card?

http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=c03004814

That's just one example.

Oh that's new then. Traditionally the MicroServer has been completely without RAID. Although one has to wonder what the chances are that VMware is going to support this (read: have drivers.)

If I go to Hyper-V, then I don't have to worry about VMware and drivers.

Exactly. And you don't have to worry about being limited to hardware RAID either. It's weak Windows Software RAID, but at least there is an option.

Yeah, I think it'd probably be safer to go with the embedded RAID on this one. But that's just me...

@scottalanmiller said:

@handsofqwerty said:

Paypal said they requested to hear back from CloutatCost by the 18th and it's now the 19th. Still no updates on my claims. Any way I can proceed from here?

That would be a question for Paypal.

I can't find a way to reach out to them though.

@thecreativeone91 said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@IRJ said:

@Dashrender has a solid plan, but why not just demote and rebuild the VM? Of course that is assuming your DCs are just DCs and having nothing else on them.

Totally agree with this. I'd assume if he's looking to rename it's because there ARE other things on it.

It's not it's just someone improperly licensed it, as it's datacenter on a different server not licensed for Datacenter. It is only a DC with DHCP. But I want two DCs up at all times and the new DC I will be making will needs to have the Hostname that this DC does.

So if you've got another DC currently, move the PDC role to it, spin up the VM where it needs to be, elevate it to a DC and then demote this one and decomm it. If for a couple hours you've got a license issue, I don't think that's really an issue since you'll be removing the one. So for a very brief time you'll have three DCs until you decommission the original one.

@scottalanmiller said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@handsofqwerty said:

Not sure what you mean by the Microserver having no RAID. You can do RAID on a Microserver. You just have a lot fewer drives you can use as opposed to a full-size server, tower or rack-mounted.

By adding a third party RAID card?

http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=c03004814

That's just one example.

Oh that's new then. Traditionally the MicroServer has been completely without RAID. Although one has to wonder what the chances are that VMware is going to support this (read: have drivers.)

If I go to Hyper-V, then I don't have to worry about VMware and drivers.

@IRJ said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@coliver said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@IRJ said:

@thanksajdotcom said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@thanksajdotcom said:

Jabber is not very good. We have it here and I don't like it.

Real Jabber or Cisco Jabber?

Cisco Jabber.

Version 10 of Cisco Jabber is a big improvement over version 9. It feels more like a real IM solution rather than a basic messaging solution now.

We have Jabber here and I use both Pidgin and Jabber for the same group chats. I can type a message in Jabber and send it and it will show up in my Pidgin as sent before I see it register in Jabber. Jabber is bulky and not very good. Pidgin with a Jabber server is way better than Jabber with a Jabber server.

Are we talking XMPP Jabber or Cisco Jabber?

Cisco Jabber.

What version of the client are you using?

@scottalanmiller said:

@handsofqwerty said:

Not sure what you mean by the Microserver having no RAID. You can do RAID on a Microserver. You just have a lot fewer drives you can use as opposed to a full-size server, tower or rack-mounted.

By adding a third party RAID card?

http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=c03004814

That's just one example.

If you need to rename it, why not just create a new VM, move FSMO roles over and then move the other functions over as well?

@IRJ said:

@Dashrender has a solid plan, but why not just demote and rebuild the VM? Of course that is assuming your DCs are just DCs and having nothing else on them.

Totally agree with this. I'd assume if he's looking to rename it's because there ARE other things on it.

@handsofqwerty said:

Ok, so we've determined that we can use Hyper-V 2012 R2 for the hypervisor. That's fine. I've got some Hyper-V experience, just not as much as ESXi.

This is why I asked. I just wanted to get some other opinions so I could think of things I hadn't thought of myself.

Ok, so we've determined that we can use Hyper-V 2012 R2 for the hypervisor. That's fine. I've got some Hyper-V experience, just not as much as ESXi.

@scottalanmiller said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@coliver said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@coliver said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@Breffni-Potter said:

Why is the choice to go physical or virtual dependant on NTGs involvement?

Surely you'd want to go virtual yourself no?

Because something like powering on the VM would be too much for them. Virtualization would obviously be the preferred method, but if they don't want to have ongoing IT support, I can't keep helping them power on a VM, etc all the time. Thus why if they can't get NTG's ongoing support, they have to be able to do it themselves, ie going physical.

Almost every virtualization solution allows you to start the VM when the server starts... it would be as simple as hitting the button to turn on the server.

I am not sure if you can set this in ESXi Free. I don't remember having it when I was using the Free but I can't confirm that.

Why limit yourself with ESXi free? Hyper-V has more features in the free platform without any of the restrictions.

Ok, well that's an option. I assume this is where I'd get it from?
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2012

I don't follow.

Also make sure you aren't putting them on an old version.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2012-r2

Yeah, I'd put them on R2. That's why I was making sure I had the right link.

@scottalanmiller said:

@coliver said:

Why limit yourself with ESXi free? Hyper-V has more features in the free platform without any of the restrictions.

ESXi can't even work here. The Proliant MicroServer has no RAID so ESXi would have no way to do RAID. ESXi also can't do free backups. So you lose a lot. HyperV for sure on that hardware.

Not sure what you mean by the Microserver having no RAID. You can do RAID on a Microserver. You just have a lot fewer drives you can use as opposed to a full-size server, tower or rack-mounted.

@scottalanmiller said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@Breffni-Potter said:

Why is the choice to go physical or virtual dependant on NTGs involvement?

Surely you'd want to go virtual yourself no?

Because something like powering on the VM would be too much for them. Virtualization would obviously be the preferred method, but if they don't want to have ongoing IT support, I can't keep helping them power on a VM, etc all the time. Thus why if they can't get NTG's ongoing support, they have to be able to do it themselves, ie going physical.

Why would they need to power on a VM? If they can't do that, they need assistance all the time regardless of the solution.

I'm not denying they need help period. I'm just saying that if the door system goes down and the VM doesn't auto-power-on, which if I can do that with Hyper-V then great, then they'd be in trouble.

@thecreativeone91 said:

First though would be to get an MFP/Copier under contract.

Secondly why uses ESXi free with so many limitations, if you need free hyper-v is a better option.

Again, it's something we can look into, but we'd have to see.

@coliver said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@coliver said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@Breffni-Potter said:

Why is the choice to go physical or virtual dependant on NTGs involvement?

Surely you'd want to go virtual yourself no?

Because something like powering on the VM would be too much for them. Virtualization would obviously be the preferred method, but if they don't want to have ongoing IT support, I can't keep helping them power on a VM, etc all the time. Thus why if they can't get NTG's ongoing support, they have to be able to do it themselves, ie going physical.

Almost every virtualization solution allows you to start the VM when the server starts... it would be as simple as hitting the button to turn on the server.

I am not sure if you can set this in ESXi Free. I don't remember having it when I was using the Free but I can't confirm that.

Why limit yourself with ESXi free? Hyper-V has more features in the free platform without any of the restrictions.

Ok, well that's an option. I assume this is where I'd get it from?
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2012

@handsofqwerty said:

@coliver said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@Breffni-Potter said:

Why is the choice to go physical or virtual dependant on NTGs involvement?

Surely you'd want to go virtual yourself no?

Because something like powering on the VM would be too much for them. Virtualization would obviously be the preferred method, but if they don't want to have ongoing IT support, I can't keep helping them power on a VM, etc all the time. Thus why if they can't get NTG's ongoing support, they have to be able to do it themselves, ie going physical.

Almost every virtualization solution allows you to start the VM when the server starts... it would be as simple as hitting the button to turn on the server.

I am not sure if you can set this in ESXi Free. I don't remember having it when I was using the Free but I can't confirm that.

If it's possible, then that would be fine.

@coliver said:

@handsofqwerty said:

@Breffni-Potter said:

Why is the choice to go physical or virtual dependant on NTGs involvement?

Surely you'd want to go virtual yourself no?

Because something like powering on the VM would be too much for them. Virtualization would obviously be the preferred method, but if they don't want to have ongoing IT support, I can't keep helping them power on a VM, etc all the time. Thus why if they can't get NTG's ongoing support, they have to be able to do it themselves, ie going physical.

Almost every virtualization solution allows you to start the VM when the server starts... it would be as simple as hitting the button to turn on the server.

I am not sure if you can set this in ESXi Free. I don't remember having it when I was using the Free but I can't confirm that.