@JaredBusch said:

No, then you have imaging rights.

On all 10 machines?

@scottalanmiller said:

You are correct, it can be. But I'm with @JaredBusch that it is just extra complication at this point.

Baby Steps!

@scottalanmiller said:

VL for Desktops is always upgrade. Upgrade is the only Desktop OS option from VL.

Assuming I already have a VL agreement, since it's easy to get with 5 CALs...

If I have 10 OEM WIndows 10 licenses, and I want to get VL, I need to get ONE Windows 10 VL Upgrade license. Just 1? And then I have VL right on all 10 machines?

@JaredBusch said:

For this scenario, you need to purchase a single Windows 10 VL.

Is that a VL UPGRADE license? That is where I am confused. What is a "Windows 10 VL" if they don't sell licenses.

I'm not being sarcastic at all, this is really what has me hung up.

Yeah, I am back to being confused.

OK, so let's say I just bought 10 new DELL Windows 10 machines (with an OEM license, of course). I want to be able to re-image these with a standard image, as has been suggested here on ML.

What do I need to do this? Perhaps real world examples are better.

@JaredBusch said:

This is not specific to desktop. You have to purchase 5 licenses at once via VL to get setup. They can be any 5 licenses. After that you can buy single licenses as needed.

I think it might be specific to desktop since you can't buy license through VL for desktops. Isn't that correct?

@Jason said:

And imaging rights as part of the upgrade VL.

So that is my next question.

DESKTOP: What does VL licensing get you that's better than the straight OEM license?

DESKTOP: What do you need at a minimum to get VL? We discussed this before but I'd like to have it in this thread.

Super rare. Got it.

@scottalanmiller said:

Here is the really high level view. Until you get into very special cases you basically:

• Always get your desktop OS as OEM with the machine when you buy it. You don't buy desktop OSes.
• Always get your server OS from VL.

DESKTOP: When would you ever need to purchase a FPP? If you wanted to install another OS on a desktop that didn't already have that? For example if you licenses Vista on a machine, but wanted to wipe it and install Windows 10?

So to refine this before moving on.

DESKTOP: you can only obtain a license through OEM or FPP

SERVER: you can obtain a license through OEM, FPP, or VL

Is that correctly separated, and correct?

@scottalanmiller said:

Argh, why do these keep getting combined?

a) i like creating havoc
b) i am so learning

If they could approach the price of the EDGE SSDs that xByte sells, that would work.

Would that be possible?

OK, good. Because my rep said to stop saying "volume licensing" and only say "licensing" because that is what we would be purchasing.

So, there can you buy licenses through "volume licensing"?

What do you think about the "S" line versus the "P" line.

Big cost savings.

So, armed with my fledgling knowledge of Microsoft licensing, I reached out to our software vendor today, who confused me again.

I'd like to start a thread here of what I know, piece, by piece. If it is correct, I will move on. If it is not, we'll correct and adjust.

BASE KNOWLEDGE:
An OS (whether desktop or server) can only be licensed in two ways. OEM or retail, which is known as FPP.

Interesting...

This is becoming a common thread.

DELL: LOWER YOUR SSD PRICES.

Can someone summarize the various MS offerings for me? This topic has gotten me even more confused, I think.

Is the storage section of O365 not really 0365 but ODfB?

I mean sine wave topology, which probably isn't topology.

@MattSpeller said:

UPS have a lot of traps that really suck if you get wrong.

Is topology one of those traps?