@Jason said:

@BBigford said:

@Jason said:

@BBigford said:

I had to give a user a quote for a MacBook Pro. They need dedicated graphics and I went to look at Apple for a build-to-buy. Looks like they really slimmed that down. The only one that doesn't just have Iris graphics is their highest end model for $2499.99 ....

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

I think Amazon has one slightly cheaper than that that has AMD r9 + iris 16gb of ram, 512gb SSD. I'd say don't get one unless there's a really good reason. Editing video and needing pro res codec is about the only reason these days. Most video work and all audio and graphics work is now better on windows

No there is absolutely no justified reason for buying it. They ended up getting every top of the line spec (~$3200 plus extras). But when it's for someone in sales, we really have zero pull since they are babied around here. They have quantifiable evidence of how much money they make the company. Whatever. I still use 3 year old monitors and a Latitude E6410. I just got in some laptops people are replacing with brand new ones so I can choose between a Latitude E6520 or M6600 (weighty, but the video card is pretty good, and bigger screen). Neither has support for Windows 10. I know the M6600 does terrible with Win10, the E6520 seems ok so far (setting it up now). Sales get to replace their laptops twice per year. IT, every 5 years (at best). I don't need brand new so I just take the replacement gear. Saves the company money while sales is spending money like it is going out of style. One person in marketing has had three MacBooks at one point recently. That's right, three. I think she is down to two... Plus a Windows laptop. Sales and marketing really push me to the edge of my sanity with all the demands for Apple products. If it was justified, sure. Go ahead, but "well...Mac. I work better on a Mac. Macs don't get viruses. It is faster. It just works." Zero validity in that argument and I hear that crap every argument.

Sorry. Ranting over here.

So a Sales guy that could likely work from a chrome book gets the most expensive mac..

We had that here too though sales guys get macs if they want them (if their managers approve) but they have to stay within the same budget a windows computer would be bought for.. And we don't do VMs with windows clients if you do that we end up paying double and might as well get a windows computer.

Staying within the same budget is how I've always done it. They could work from a Chromebook, but Google Earth is getting so demanding of VRAM anymore. Getting pretty frustrating. Nonetheless, there are separate avenues for much more inexpensive devices, as you pointed out.

@Jason said:

@BBigford said:

I had to give a user a quote for a MacBook Pro. They need dedicated graphics and I went to look at Apple for a build-to-buy. Looks like they really slimmed that down. The only one that doesn't just have Iris graphics is their highest end model for $2499.99 ....

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

I think Amazon has one slightly cheaper than that that has AMD r9 + iris 16gb of ram, 512gb SSD. I'd say don't get one unless there's a really good reason. Editing video and needing pro res codec is about the only reason these days. Most video work and all audio and graphics work is now better on windows

No there is absolutely no justified reason for buying it. They ended up getting every top of the line spec (~$3200 plus extras). But when it's for someone in sales, we really have zero pull since they are babied around here. They have quantifiable evidence of how much money they make the company. Whatever. I still use 3 year old monitors and a Latitude E6410. I just got in some laptops people are replacing with brand new ones so I can choose between a Latitude E6520 or M6600 (weighty, but the video card is pretty good, and bigger screen). Neither has support for Windows 10. I know the M6600 does terrible with Win10, the E6520 seems ok so far (setting it up now). Sales get to replace their laptops twice per year. IT, every 5 years (at best). I don't need brand new so I just take the replacement gear. Saves the company money while sales is spending money like it is going out of style. One person in marketing has had three MacBooks at one point recently. That's right, three. I think she is down to two... Plus a Windows laptop. Sales and marketing really push me to the edge of my sanity with all the demands for Apple products. If it was justified, sure. Go ahead, but "well...Mac. I work better on a Mac. Macs don't get viruses. It is faster. It just works." Zero validity in that argument and I hear that crap every argument.

Sorry. Ranting over here.

@papercape said:

@BBigford They don't even offer the newest skylake processors, a whole revision behind.

Oh that's not new. That's been their MO for years regarding CPUs and GPUs. They probably won't switch to DDR4 RAM for 5 more years.

I had to give a user a quote for a MacBook Pro. They need dedicated graphics and I went to look at Apple for a build-to-buy. Looks like they really slimmed that down. The only one that doesn't just have Iris graphics is their highest end model for $2499.99 ....

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

@papercape said:

@BBigford said:

@papercape said:

@BBigford said:

Never used CloudatCost, can someone bring me up to speed on what is so funny?

I mean their prices are kinda weird... $70 for a dual core, but 50% off of that... one time? Err... one time, per month? I don't get it.

Just a one-time payment and you never pay again. It's tempting, but the service is absolutely unusable and has been for going on several months. Their API has been down for nearly a year.

They run these 80-90% off sales every other friday.

Now that's pretty funny. So people paid for a service they haven't used in... a year?

Well, the API had been malfunctioning in some capacity since I first became a customer.

Can you describe that a little for me? Just curious what you experienced so I can relay that to anyone inquiring about the service.

@Jason said:

@BBigford said:

@papercape said:

@BBigford said:

Never used CloudatCost, can someone bring me up to speed on what is so funny?

I mean their prices are kinda weird... $70 for a dual core, but 50% off of that... one time? Err... one time, per month? I don't get it.

Just a one-time payment and you never pay again. It's tempting, but the service is absolutely unusable and has been for going on several months. Their API has been down for nearly a year.

They run these 80-90% off sales every other friday.

Now that's pretty funny. So people paid for a service they haven't used in... a year?

Most of us got our money back from Credit Cards/Paypal.

How'd you swing that? Wouldn't CloudatCost have to issue the refund?

@papercape said:

@BBigford said:

Never used CloudatCost, can someone bring me up to speed on what is so funny?

I mean their prices are kinda weird... $70 for a dual core, but 50% off of that... one time? Err... one time, per month? I don't get it.

Just a one-time payment and you never pay again. It's tempting, but the service is absolutely unusable and has been for going on several months. Their API has been down for nearly a year.

They run these 80-90% off sales every other friday.

Now that's pretty funny. So people paid for a service they haven't used in... a year?

Never used CloudatCost, can someone bring me up to speed on what is so funny?

I mean their prices are kinda weird... $70 for a dual core, but 50% off of that... one time? Err... one time, per month? I don't get it.

@Dashrender said:

@Jason said:

Nope. But we don't use E series. They don't come with height adjustable stands. We mostly use ultra Sharp series.

What is it about having to pay $200+ (and realistically more like $300+) for a monitor to have height adjustability?

Which is why we bought the E-series and harvested the adjustable stands of the E2310H/E2311H models. I think the Dell monitors have that proprietary stand connector, not something universal like VESA but I'd have to check.

@Jason said:

Nope. But we don't use E series. They don't come with height adjustable stands. We mostly use ultra Sharp series.

Ultrasharp's are mighty nice. What model do you have?

@Jason said:

Nope. But we don't use E series. They don't come with height adjustable stands. We mostly use ultra Sharp series.

Price for us was only within E series.

On another note, I just salved the adjustable stands from the older E series.

Checked the cables/etc. Works fine with older monitors. I went back to some older E2311H ones that work better. Just a bit smaller by about 2 inches.

@RojoLoco said:

Is the picture yellow or the outer casing?

I've not gotten any pee monitors from Dell.

Haha the picture, not the case.

I was given 2 Dell E2416HX monitors. 1 was yellow. They didn't have VESA (highest on the priority list of features), so I gave those to a new employee. I found a (new in box) 2 year old E2414H monitor. We have a dozen of them in the building and they are great for basic monitors. This one is also yellow (a urine hue if you will). These were both used on different display & power cables. I saw on a Dell forum that there is a "yellow club". Anyone else have yellow issues with Dell monitors? I find Dell monitors to usually be pretty good.

@Dashrender said:

@BBigford said:

@Dashrender said:

that place sounds exactly like Drop Box, only a little smaller. I visited Drop Box last year.. glass conference rooms, open floor plan, almost no cubicals, everyone wearing headphones.

free lunch/drinks/snacks everyday... etc.

Headphones are the new cubicles.

Man, yeah - I'm wondering is this dog is just to old for that.

I don't use it as a cubicle as much as I do a brick wall. I don't always have my headphones in, but I do more often now. Our office is unusually silent. So the little noises irritate me. On the flip side, I worked in a loud environment and would put them in to block out the noise so I could concentrate (ironic that you block noise with noise).

I also wear headphones to block out users. We have an open door policy, but I sit with my back to the door so when they see my headphones in, they just turn and leave. Sometimes I put my headphones in, even without music playing, just for that reason. Otherwise I would never get anything done.

@Dashrender said:

that place sounds exactly like Drop Box, only a little smaller. I visited Drop Box last year.. glass conference rooms, open floor plan, almost no cubicals, everyone wearing headphones.

free lunch/drinks/snacks everyday... etc.

Headphones are the new cubicles.

Telegram also looked enticing, but we have to have something that is on-premise.

https://telegram.org/

@John-Nicholson said:

@BBigford said:

slack

We just adopted it. its how 90% of my team's communication is done. Its good for teams, less good for 20K users.

/giphy is the greatest integration ever.

Looks like that is a searchable GIF database... if so, haha why is that the greatest integration? Are you using it for funny office GIFs, or something that is pertinent to business?

@travisdh1 said:

@BBigford said:

@dafyre said:

@BBigford said:

@coliver said:

@BBigford I'm not sure if you can install the rocket.chat server on Windows. I know you can setup git though.

We'd be setting up the server in Linux. I'm just trying to figure out what I need on the github side to understand things. Because from what I've read, Git is for development as travisdh1 had mentioned, and github is just an online source for open source software.

You shouldn't need Github for anything if you're following @scottalanmiller's guide that I linked. His is running on their latest release at the time he wrote it.

The inquiry about github is going beyond Rocket.Chat, I'm sure there is lots of other software on there I'll stumble across while on a Windows computer, and would definitely like to know what I need to do to be able to obtain the software properly.

Generally go download the .msi or .exe. Really, that's it.

I was definitely overthinking the simple install. Looks like you can't download the software directly from github, but instead you get redirected to the software's site? In this case, https://rocket.chat

@travisdh1 said:

@BBigford said:

@dafyre said:

@BBigford said:

@coliver said:

@BBigford I'm not sure if you can install the rocket.chat server on Windows. I know you can setup git though.

We'd be setting up the server in Linux. I'm just trying to figure out what I need on the github side to understand things. Because from what I've read, Git is for development as travisdh1 had mentioned, and github is just an online source for open source software.

You shouldn't need Github for anything if you're following @scottalanmiller's guide that I linked. His is running on their latest release at the time he wrote it.

The inquiry about github is going beyond Rocket.Chat, I'm sure there is lots of other software on there I'll stumble across while on a Windows computer, and would definitely like to know what I need to do to be able to obtain the software properly.

Generally go download the .msi or .exe. Really, that's it.

I must be overlooking something, because I don't see those extensions. I'll keep looking. Thanks!