Thin provisioning in XS7

BRRABill

Here's a link to the whole article.

http://techblog.danielpellarini.com/sysadmin/how-to-enable-thin-provisioning-on-xenserver/

Francesco Provino

@BRRABill said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

Here's a link to the whole article.

http://techblog.danielpellarini.com/sysadmin/how-to-enable-thin-provisioning-on-xenserver/

So, nothing has changed in XS7 about thin provisioning… sadly, a plain KVM or XEN (so, the full Linux storage backend) is way ahead in flexibility, with thin-lvm, external and internal qcow (or raw) snapshot, etc.

scottalanmiller

@Francesco-Provino said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@BRRABill said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

Here's a link to the whole article.

http://techblog.danielpellarini.com/sysadmin/how-to-enable-thin-provisioning-on-xenserver/

So, nothing has changed in XS7 about thin provisioning… sadly, a plain KVM or XEN (so, the full Linux storage backend) is way ahead in flexibility, with thin-lvm, external and internal qcow (or raw) snapshot, etc.

Yes, and will likely always remain so. Xen has always been vastly more powerful and flexible than XenServer, but lacks the distro model. XenServer is about making it packaged and easy.

Francesco Provino

@scottalanmiller said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@Francesco-Provino said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@BRRABill said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

Here's a link to the whole article.

http://techblog.danielpellarini.com/sysadmin/how-to-enable-thin-provisioning-on-xenserver/

So, nothing has changed in XS7 about thin provisioning… sadly, a plain KVM or XEN (so, the full Linux storage backend) is way ahead in flexibility, with thin-lvm, external and internal qcow (or raw) snapshot, etc.

Yes, and will likely always remain so. Xen has always been vastly more powerful and flexible than XenServer, but lacks the distro model. XenServer is about making it packaged and easy.

Uhm, I haven't found XS7 any easier than a plain linux distro until now, Its only big advantage is the great API that provide a nice and encapsulated method to backup VMs. But IMHO is both harder and less powerful than libvirt (with both Xen and KVM).

scottalanmiller

@Francesco-Provino said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@scottalanmiller said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@Francesco-Provino said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@BRRABill said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

Here's a link to the whole article.

http://techblog.danielpellarini.com/sysadmin/how-to-enable-thin-provisioning-on-xenserver/

So, nothing has changed in XS7 about thin provisioning… sadly, a plain KVM or XEN (so, the full Linux storage backend) is way ahead in flexibility, with thin-lvm, external and internal qcow (or raw) snapshot, etc.

Yes, and will likely always remain so. Xen has always been vastly more powerful and flexible than XenServer, but lacks the distro model. XenServer is about making it packaged and easy.

Uhm, I haven't found XS7 any easier than a plain linux distro until now, Its only big advantage is the great API that provide a nice and encapsulated method to backup VMs. But IMHO is both harder and less powerful than libvirt (with both Xen and KVM).

have you played with XenOrchestra?

Francesco Provino

@scottalanmiller said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@Francesco-Provino said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@scottalanmiller said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@Francesco-Provino said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@BRRABill said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

Here's a link to the whole article.

http://techblog.danielpellarini.com/sysadmin/how-to-enable-thin-provisioning-on-xenserver/

So, nothing has changed in XS7 about thin provisioning… sadly, a plain KVM or XEN (so, the full Linux storage backend) is way ahead in flexibility, with thin-lvm, external and internal qcow (or raw) snapshot, etc.

Yes, and will likely always remain so. Xen has always been vastly more powerful and flexible than XenServer, but lacks the distro model. XenServer is about making it packaged and easy.

Uhm, I haven't found XS7 any easier than a plain linux distro until now, Its only big advantage is the great API that provide a nice and encapsulated method to backup VMs. But IMHO is both harder and less powerful than libvirt (with both Xen and KVM).

have you played with XenOrchestra?

Not yet, but in truth I really prefer a solid CLI and documentation to another fancy GUI…

DustinB3403

@Francesco-Provino said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@scottalanmiller said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@Francesco-Provino said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@scottalanmiller said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@Francesco-Provino said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@BRRABill said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

Here's a link to the whole article.

http://techblog.danielpellarini.com/sysadmin/how-to-enable-thin-provisioning-on-xenserver/

So, nothing has changed in XS7 about thin provisioning… sadly, a plain KVM or XEN (so, the full Linux storage backend) is way ahead in flexibility, with thin-lvm, external and internal qcow (or raw) snapshot, etc.

Yes, and will likely always remain so. Xen has always been vastly more powerful and flexible than XenServer, but lacks the distro model. XenServer is about making it packaged and easy.

Uhm, I haven't found XS7 any easier than a plain linux distro until now, Its only big advantage is the great API that provide a nice and encapsulated method to backup VMs. But IMHO is both harder and less powerful than libvirt (with both Xen and KVM).

have you played with XenOrchestra?

Not yet, but in truth I really prefer a solid CLI and documentation to another fancy GUI…

XO isn't just a gui, it's a single pane of glass for everything XS.

Backup, VM management and Host control.

scottalanmiller

@Francesco-Provino said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@scottalanmiller said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@Francesco-Provino said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@scottalanmiller said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@Francesco-Provino said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@BRRABill said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

Here's a link to the whole article.

http://techblog.danielpellarini.com/sysadmin/how-to-enable-thin-provisioning-on-xenserver/

So, nothing has changed in XS7 about thin provisioning… sadly, a plain KVM or XEN (so, the full Linux storage backend) is way ahead in flexibility, with thin-lvm, external and internal qcow (or raw) snapshot, etc.

Yes, and will likely always remain so. Xen has always been vastly more powerful and flexible than XenServer, but lacks the distro model. XenServer is about making it packaged and easy.

Uhm, I haven't found XS7 any easier than a plain linux distro until now, Its only big advantage is the great API that provide a nice and encapsulated method to backup VMs. But IMHO is both harder and less powerful than libvirt (with both Xen and KVM).

have you played with XenOrchestra?

Not yet, but in truth I really prefer a solid CLI and documentation to another fancy GUI…

Solid CLI is good, but if you are using CLI, XenServer is the wrong product for you. XenServer's purpose is the XAPI and the only good XAPI implementation is XenOrchestra.

Nothing wrong with the all CLI approach, but XenServer really has no value in that case. Xen will kick its butt.

Francesco Provino

Ok, using the ext type of storage the thin provisioning works without an issue; thanks to everybody for the answers!

scottalanmiller

And if you look, that EXT3 type is on LVM. Hence the weird confusion

BRRABill

@scottalanmiller said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

And if you look, that EXT3 type is on LVM. Hence the weird confusion

Yeah that, as I said, is what got me.

So, if you pick EXT is enables thin provisioning by default?

scottalanmiller

@BRRABill said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

@scottalanmiller said in Thin provisioning in XS7:

And if you look, that EXT3 type is on LVM. Hence the weird confusion

Yeah that, as I said, is what got me.

So, if you pick EXT is enables thin provisioning by default?
Yes. Because thin provisioning is not actually the option. It's actually just raw LVM vs file based. Files are thin provisioned. LVM raw is not. File based is being called ext3 here.