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    • Dashrender
      Dashrender @WLS-ITGuy last edited by

      @WLS-ITGuy said in ZeroTier Question:

      @Dashrender said in ZeroTier Question:

      makes me wonder if the router at the coffee shop was taken over and is doing bad things...

      Was that IP obtained while at the coffee shop? or did I miss it and it was really someone at their home?

      This one is at home.

      What do they have for DNS servers at home? Their ISP? I've seen many ISPs (Cox does this) if you put in a bad address, you get redirected to a bad website request page hosted by Cox instead of getting an invalid domain name as you might rather have. They are trying to making things more understandable for consumers, sadly it just screws us instead.

      Have you home user change the DNS provided by their router (if possible) to Google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 and try again.

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      • JaredBusch
        JaredBusch @dafyre last edited by

        @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

        @WLS-ITGuy said in ZeroTier Question:

        DUDE! YOU ARE A GENIUS! <---Absoluetely no sarcasm

        If you are off-site and your DNS server returns the internal IP, stuff still ain't gonna work. 😞

        This also goes back to what I said. You do NOT want to do this unless you are 100% ready to manually update your on premise DNS server manually to have every ZeroTier IP address listed.

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        • dafyre
          dafyre @Dashrender last edited by

          @Dashrender said in ZeroTier Question:

          @WLS-ITGuy said in ZeroTier Question:

          @Dashrender said in ZeroTier Question:

          makes me wonder if the router at the coffee shop was taken over and is doing bad things...

          Was that IP obtained while at the coffee shop? or did I miss it and it was really someone at their home?

          This one is at home.

          What do they have for DNS servers at home? Their ISP? I've seen many ISPs (Cox does this) if you put in a bad address, you get redirected to a bad website request page hosted by Cox instead of getting an invalid domain name as you might rather have. They are trying to making things more understandable for consumers, sadly it just screws us instead.

          Have you home user change the DNS provided by their router (if possible) to Google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 and try again.

          I've got $1 that says I can name the ISP of the home user...

          (Pro tip: It's mine too).

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          • WLS-ITGuy
            WLS-ITGuy @dafyre last edited by

            @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

            @Dashrender said in ZeroTier Question:

            @WLS-ITGuy said in ZeroTier Question:

            @Dashrender said in ZeroTier Question:

            makes me wonder if the router at the coffee shop was taken over and is doing bad things...

            Was that IP obtained while at the coffee shop? or did I miss it and it was really someone at their home?

            This one is at home.

            What do they have for DNS servers at home? Their ISP? I've seen many ISPs (Cox does this) if you put in a bad address, you get redirected to a bad website request page hosted by Cox instead of getting an invalid domain name as you might rather have. They are trying to making things more understandable for consumers, sadly it just screws us instead.

            Have you home user change the DNS provided by their router (if possible) to Google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 and try again.

            I've got $1 that says I can name the ISP of the home user...

            (Pro tip: It's mine too).

            AT&T? Cause that is mine too and I think I got the same address 🙂

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            • JaredBusch
              JaredBusch @dafyre last edited by

              @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

              I've got $1 that says I can name the ISP of the home user...

              (Pro tip: It's mine too).

              Not a secret. it is listed right in the screenshot.

              0_1462912306630_upload-3a350526-8c36-4bb2-8f7c-2e854408c0a3

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              • dafyre
                dafyre @WLS-ITGuy last edited by

                @WLS-ITGuy said in ZeroTier Question:

                @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                @Dashrender said in ZeroTier Question:

                @WLS-ITGuy said in ZeroTier Question:

                @Dashrender said in ZeroTier Question:

                makes me wonder if the router at the coffee shop was taken over and is doing bad things...

                Was that IP obtained while at the coffee shop? or did I miss it and it was really someone at their home?

                This one is at home.

                What do they have for DNS servers at home? Their ISP? I've seen many ISPs (Cox does this) if you put in a bad address, you get redirected to a bad website request page hosted by Cox instead of getting an invalid domain name as you might rather have. They are trying to making things more understandable for consumers, sadly it just screws us instead.

                Have you home user change the DNS provided by their router (if possible) to Google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 and try again.

                I've got $1 that says I can name the ISP of the home user...

                (Pro tip: It's mine too).

                AT&T? Cause that is mine too and I think I got the same address 🙂

                Naw... I bet your home-user's ISP is Charter?

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                • JaredBusch
                  JaredBusch @Dashrender last edited by gjacobse

                  @Dashrender said in ZeroTier Question:

                  @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                  Except in the case of the end-user's machine not actually hitting the internal DNS, maybe?

                  Sure, but if the user isn't hitting an internal DNS, where would that address come from at all? I would expect it to simply fail, or get a *.wls.wels.net reply back, which isn't happening when I ping, so no reason to believe that would be happening to the home user.

                  F[moderated], I said it. It is coming from his primary DNS like it should.

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                  • dafyre
                    dafyre @JaredBusch last edited by gjacobse

                    @JaredBusch said in ZeroTier Question:

                    @Dashrender said in ZeroTier Question:

                    @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                    Except in the case of the end-user's machine not actually hitting the internal DNS, maybe?

                    Sure, but if the user isn't hitting an internal DNS, where would that address come from at all? I would expect it to simply fail, or get a *.wls.wels.net reply back, which isn't happening when I ping, so no reason to believe that would be happening to the home user.

                    F[moderated], I said it. It is coming from his primary DNS like it should.

                    Most likely it is his ISP hijacking the bad DNS results and will show a search page if he were to use a web browser.

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                    • Dashrender
                      Dashrender @dafyre last edited by gjacobse

                      @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                      @JaredBusch said in ZeroTier Question:

                      @Dashrender said in ZeroTier Question:

                      @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                      Except in the case of the end-user's machine not actually hitting the internal DNS, maybe?

                      Sure, but if the user isn't hitting an internal DNS, where would that address come from at all? I would expect it to simply fail, or get a *.wls.wels.net reply back, which isn't happening when I ping, so no reason to believe that would be happening to the home user.

                      F[moderated], I said it. It is coming from his primary DNS like it should.

                      Most likely it is his ISP hijacking the bad DNS results and will show a search page if he were to use a web browser.

                      I concur.

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                      • Dashrender
                        Dashrender @JaredBusch last edited by

                        @JaredBusch said in ZeroTier Question:

                        @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                        I've got $1 that says I can name the ISP of the home user...

                        (Pro tip: It's mine too).

                        Not a secret. it is listed right in the screenshot.

                        0_1462912306630_upload-3a350526-8c36-4bb2-8f7c-2e854408c0a3

                        lol, nice scrolling 🙂

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                        • dafyre
                          dafyre last edited by

                          Connect him up via ZeroTier, and set your DNS Server's ZT IP on the zt Nic, and you should be good to go.

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                          • JaredBusch
                            JaredBusch @dafyre last edited by

                            @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                            Connect him up via ZeroTier, and set your DNS Server's ZT IP on the zt Nic, and you should be good to go.

                            Why. You keep saying this and I keep telling you that it is a bad idea.

                            I have ZeroTier running and it resolves ZeroTier IP addresses with no DNS modifications.

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                            • dafyre
                              dafyre @JaredBusch last edited by

                              @JaredBusch said in ZeroTier Question:

                              @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                              Connect him up via ZeroTier, and set your DNS Server's ZT IP on the zt Nic, and you should be good to go.

                              Why. You keep saying this and I keep telling you that it is a bad idea.

                              I have ZeroTier running and it resolves ZeroTier IP addresses with no DNS modifications.

                              What are you using to do that? Your windows AD DNS?

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                              • JaredBusch
                                JaredBusch @dafyre last edited by

                                @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                                @JaredBusch said in ZeroTier Question:

                                @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                                Connect him up via ZeroTier, and set your DNS Server's ZT IP on the zt Nic, and you should be good to go.

                                Why. You keep saying this and I keep telling you that it is a bad idea.

                                I have ZeroTier running and it resolves ZeroTier IP addresses with no DNS modifications.

                                What are you using to do that? Your windows AD DNS?

                                Nothing. ZeroTier passes NetBIOS. This is really basic.

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                                • Dashrender
                                  Dashrender @JaredBusch last edited by

                                  @JaredBusch said in ZeroTier Question:

                                  @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                                  @JaredBusch said in ZeroTier Question:

                                  @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                                  Connect him up via ZeroTier, and set your DNS Server's ZT IP on the zt Nic, and you should be good to go.

                                  Why. You keep saying this and I keep telling you that it is a bad idea.

                                  I have ZeroTier running and it resolves ZeroTier IP addresses with no DNS modifications.

                                  What are you using to do that? Your windows AD DNS?

                                  Nothing. ZeroTier passes NetBIOS. This is really basic.

                                  Ug.. did you just say NetBIOS?

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                                  • JaredBusch
                                    JaredBusch @Dashrender last edited by

                                    @Dashrender said in ZeroTier Question:

                                    @JaredBusch said in ZeroTier Question:

                                    @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                                    @JaredBusch said in ZeroTier Question:

                                    @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                                    Connect him up via ZeroTier, and set your DNS Server's ZT IP on the zt Nic, and you should be good to go.

                                    Why. You keep saying this and I keep telling you that it is a bad idea.

                                    I have ZeroTier running and it resolves ZeroTier IP addresses with no DNS modifications.

                                    What are you using to do that? Your windows AD DNS?

                                    Nothing. ZeroTier passes NetBIOS. This is really basic.

                                    Ug.. did you just say NetBIOS?

                                    Yes. That magic way that everything works on a LAN without DNS.

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                                    • dafyre
                                      dafyre @JaredBusch last edited by

                                      @JaredBusch said in ZeroTier Question:

                                      @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                                      @JaredBusch said in ZeroTier Question:

                                      @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                                      Connect him up via ZeroTier, and set your DNS Server's ZT IP on the zt Nic, and you should be good to go.

                                      Why. You keep saying this and I keep telling you that it is a bad idea.

                                      I have ZeroTier running and it resolves ZeroTier IP addresses with no DNS modifications.

                                      What are you using to do that? Your windows AD DNS?

                                      Nothing. ZeroTier passes NetBIOS. This is really basic.

                                      Yes it does. In my experience, over VPN type techs (like Pertino, ZT, OpenVPN, etc), Netbios has not been reliable.

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                                      • Dashrender
                                        Dashrender @dafyre last edited by

                                        @dafyre I too have found reliability to be a problem.

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                                        • dafyre
                                          dafyre last edited by

                                          Let's wait and hear back from @WLS-ITGuy before we go too far down the rabbit hole.

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                                          • JaredBusch
                                            JaredBusch @dafyre last edited by

                                            @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                                            @JaredBusch said in ZeroTier Question:

                                            @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                                            @JaredBusch said in ZeroTier Question:

                                            @dafyre said in ZeroTier Question:

                                            Connect him up via ZeroTier, and set your DNS Server's ZT IP on the zt Nic, and you should be good to go.

                                            Why. You keep saying this and I keep telling you that it is a bad idea.

                                            I have ZeroTier running and it resolves ZeroTier IP addresses with no DNS modifications.

                                            What are you using to do that? Your windows AD DNS?

                                            Nothing. ZeroTier passes NetBIOS. This is really basic.

                                            Yes it does. In my experience, over VPN type techs (like Pertino, ZT, OpenVPN, etc), Netbios has not been reliable.

                                            NetBIOS is reliable when addresses don't change like with Pertino and ZeroTier.

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